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PostPosted: 18:41 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Motorbike Research Reply with quote

I am a Loughborough University Student currently working on a Final year design project which focus is on motorcycle helmets. I am currently researching and investigating into problems and issues encountered by the motorbike population in an attempt to find a design solution! (specifically motorbike helmets)

Any response to the questions below would be greatly appreciated.


What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet?
fogging/overheating/high noise levels/adjustment issues/comfort issues/other
If other please state…


Can you go into detail about this issue? Why does it occur? How often does it occur? How detrimental to your experience is it? Have you tried to fix it? If so how?


Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No
Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No


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PostPosted: 18:47 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes
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I have a HJC IS Max helmet and the only issue I get is fogging up of the visor. I sometimes have to ride with it open or slightly open, but find that if it is open then my face gets very cold very quickly but if it's slightly open then I get air directed at my eyes and it makes them stream to the point I can't see. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground.

It occurs when it is cold outside and warm in my helmet! Generally when riding to work in the mornings, 7am-ish.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveclarke12 wrote:

What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet?

Students keep asking me how mine can be improved.


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Can you go into detail about this issue? Why does it occur? How often does it occur? How detrimental to your experience is it? Have you tried to fix it? If so how?

Residing on a popular motorcycle forum, we often have students coming in trying to get us to effectively do their work for them.
It occurs approximately once a week, but with higher incidence soon after the start of a new educational year.
I haven't tried to 'fix it' yet.

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Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

I can't see this working, so I doubt it influence me.

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Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

I wouldn't understand the point of this feature.

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Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

I'm not American, so probably not. I wouldn't care about the graphics unless it came out at a very good price and I was racing at the time.


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Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

For off road, yes, but I'd be sceptical as there's a lot of big companies trying to do this and I haven't seen anything anything revolutionary yet.


"Happy to help", as they say Thumbs Up Smile.


Oh and note I've deleted the thread you made in biking news which I first replied to.
Please make only one post with the same text. This isn't news Thumbs Up.


Bah, Rogerborg got a post in just before I went to delete it, this is what he had to say:
Rogerborg wrote:

I wrote half a big reply, then thought "sod it, it's another 'help me with my homework' question".

You aren't actually designing helmets for the market, so it's not worth my time answering unless you make it interesting.

So, hi, what bike do you ride, and what brand of helmet do you prefer?
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, then I incorporate my answer here.

I doubt that you meant "any" response, although I am obliquely trying to explain to you why we might not fall over ourselves to do your homework for you.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankyou for your responses, i am currently trying to research and investigate into what problems you guys run into relating to motorcycle helmets to gain a better understanding of what it is that could potentially be improved.

I don't mean to offend, I am simply looking for any issues or problems that are encountered.

Many thanks
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Custom made liner would be great.

Would make choosing a lid so much easier....

Simply choose your prefered design and then they make a liner to suit.....

Takes away the whole pain of trying every helmet in the shop till you fine one you like and fits Thumbs Up

Then again this has been suggested for years...... Seems the only people to get these are very well paid racers and not joe blogs..... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No
No
No
Yes

The only issues I have are, the visor fogging up, rain on the visor and sunlight in my eyes.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only real problem I have with my helmet is the fogging up. It's not nice.

Other than that.. that's a few things I'd consider doing to one technology wise (like building in some earphones for my Phone's GPS, and a Microphone perhaps for if I ever decided to purchase a radio).

I'd be tempted to add custom graphics to a helmet - but probably wouldn't due to cost. We're not all made of money, and that would be expensive (unless it was free, but then I'd probably spend too much time designing and not enough time riding!).

But personally, there's nothing really which would influence my decision in buying a helmet in terms of your post. I'd like a helmet that could stay fog-free and clear from the rain, but any helmet which claimed to do these things I probably wouldn't believe. You get way too many false advertising claims, or under-performing products for the price paid Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No
No
No
No
No

Scratch proof visor please. Photochromatic would be good too.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

My visor rarely fogs; thanks to the vents blowing air at the inside of the visor, and that I quite enjoy an open visor. If my visor begins to fog up tremendously, I just apply an anti-fogging solution to the visor. Works for me. More and more helmets are being sold now with anti-fog linings. No idea how good they are though.

Never over-heated. :S Just open the visor.

My helmet is noisy.. But my bike is noisier, and my bike isn't that loud. The less wind noise the better though, I suppose.

Never had adjustment issues, or comfort issues. I would figure these two are one and the same.


A hands-free activated visor would make me steer clear of the helmet. So yes, it would influence my decision; negatively. Don't fix what ain't broken. Manual opening/shutting works perfectly for me.

Sound dampening would be nice, as long as it didn't dampen the noise of the traffic, too; or more importantly, the sound of my bike. Less wind noise has to mean more environmental noise.

As long as the custom fitted liner didn't cost twice that of my lid, that'd be brilliant. Razz

I guess custom graphics would be kinda neat; but I'd probably spend too much time trying to customize it and end up with something too tacky and be unhappy with my product. XD But I guess it'd be a cool optional feature.

Depends how the ventilation system worked. Passive or motorised? Light or heavy? Simple or complicated? Right now we have (pretty much) holes in the helmet that can be covered over by grills or flaps. Simple yet effective. Anything that's going to add weight or be easy to break; no thanks.

Only other thing I can think of is like; bluetooth-able built in speakers, or some kind of rubber blade above the visor, so when you open the visor it cleans it of water droplettes. Best I can do.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I google 'BCF', it comes up as "Motorbike related message board with sections for UK national and regional events."

Somehow, this appears to translate as "Open season for lazy students who want their homework doing for them."

Just as well I never bothered with University, I obviously don't read good.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for all the responses to my questions.

All will help significantly in identifying the most prominent problems/issues that need to be focused on and addressed.

This should allow me to produce the most appropriate end solution.

I would be happy to pass on my findings and 'end solution' if interested!
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveclarke12 wrote:
Thanks again for all the responses to my questions.

All will help significantly in identifying the most prominent problems/issues that need to be focused on and addressed.

This should allow me to produce the most appropriate end solution.

I would be happy to pass on my findings and 'end solution' if interested!

If you do a search, as you may guess from some of the responses - plenty of people have asked the questions you're asking before.
A good start would be reading the answers to them.

Over the years we've seen a lot of people try and solve the various 'problems' with motorbike helmets.
Maybe you really will create a revolutionary design. The reality is more likely to be you'll recreate some previously tried design that never took off.

I'd suggest you consider other areas to innovate.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveclarke12 wrote:
Thankyou for your responses, i am currently trying to research and investigate into what problems you guys run into relating to motorcycle helmets to gain a better understanding of what it is that could potentially be improved.

I don't mean to offend, I am simply looking for any issues or problems that are encountered.

Many thanks


Lets be honest here, NO YOU ARE NOT, you are trying, with least effort on your part to 'satisfy' your I presume Design tutor, and be able to show them something on paper that looks like YOU have done some research.

This is NOT research, and you are jumping in at the middle, without a thought.

First rule of Design, before asking 'Why not', as 'Why So'.

Second rule of Design, Necessity is the Mother of Invention.

You (think you) have a solution, you want a problem to apply it to. This is 'push' technology, the preserve of marketing men, not engineers.

Engineers solve problems; Marketing men, sell gadgets.

NOW: go back to your lecture notes, or those of some-one who actually paid attension.....

Start at the beginning. DO your research. START by looking at what helmet manufacturers are actually offering, and the sales features thay already offer.

THIS answers your questions.

Shark, Shoei, Aria, AGV, Bell, etc have all done this reasarch FAR more thoroughly than you can even dream of... they have multi-million dollar business's depending on it.... not a few brownie points towards a course grade!

They do not push 'features' unless people have suggested they are 'useful'.

So what are the existing manufacturers offering?

And more importantly how much are they charging?

Third Rule of Design; There are few Problems that cant be solved with a big enough budget.....

The 'Bottom Line'... doesn't matter how good you make it; its whether you can convince any-one to pay more than it costs to make it.

Now go do your own home work.....
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruddy heck, I actually just read all of a post by the Tefster.

What with my recent accident-posting epiphany, I'm starting to get a little scared that the sky actually might be about to fall.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Motorbike Research Reply with quote

steveclarke12 wrote:

Any response to the questions below would be greatly appreciated.





Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

Been done; I believe a helmet with a remote electric visor was marketed by Yes (not the prog rock group associated with excessively long solos) and it failed miserably, largely because it took an excessively long time to do something a rider normally does in a nanosecond, so perhaps there was a prog rock connection, afterall.

Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

I think it's fair to say great strides have already been made in sound deadening and, if your helmet is no good, ear plugs cost pennies.


Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

Been done; I had a helmet custom fitted in 1981, but it went wrong when I changed my hairstyle and it proved such an unpopular option with the maker, they stopped making bike helmets altogether.

Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

Might appeal to a few, but it would have an inevitable cost impact and it would take time; most people want to go into a shop, buy a helmet and wear it home, not wait a fortnight.

Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
Yes/No

I've never bought a helmet based on it's ventilation system, in fact I would go so far as to say it's never even been a consideration, despite the fact that virtually every maker claims to have the latest and most efficient system, which they seemingly improve every five minutes.




I'd say you're heading in the wrong direction, a few tweaks won't take the planet by storm, you need to come up with something genuinely revolutionary.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Motorbike Research Reply with quote

My suggestion is something I'd quite like myself.

I'd like a camera built into my helmet. I want it to be discreet (so mr piggy doesn't seize it as evidence if I get pulled over) and film on a loop. I.e. I press record and it records continually and overwrites the oldest footage when the memory is full. If I press a button then it will write protect a certain period, i.e. the last 10 minutes. Good in case of accidents, pretty areas, fun parts of my ride etc.

I want it all contained in the helmet though, the card and battery perhaps could be removed but I don't want cables attached to my head and I don't want a fat "here is evidence of my wrongdoings, seize me" marker stuck to the side of my head.


As for the automatic visor opener/closer, I was actually and quite coincidentally considering that about 5 hours ago, decided it would be a waste of time, but it would be cool. Custom fitted helmet liners would be pricey but if it ended up affordable, not inflatable and actually worked it would be a good idea.


EDIT: Just read the post above mine, that summarises my thoughts quite well.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet?
fogging
noise
comfort issues

Can you go into detail about this issue? Why does it occur?
Because the manufacturers seem to think that all heads are inbetween the set sizes. My head is a 54. So a 53/54 is too tight, and a 54/55 is too loose. If they made Suomy in a straight 54 then that would be ideal for my head shape.

Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
No

Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
If it didn't influence the price I would. If it did, I'd stick to wearing earplugs.

Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
To do what exactly??

Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
No, I like my lid to be plain black, no graphics thanks

Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
No, I've rarely suffered from heat, perhaps if I travelled or lived overseas, my answer would be different.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Motorbike Research Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
My suggestion is something I'd quite like myself.

I'd like a camera built into my helmet. I want it to be discreet (so mr piggy doesn't seize it as evidence if I get pulled over) and film on a loop. I.e. I press record and it records continually and overwrites the oldest footage when the memory is full. If I press a button then it will write protect a certain period, i.e. the last 10 minutes. Good in case of accidents, pretty areas, fun parts of my ride etc.

I want it all contained in the helmet though, the card and battery perhaps could be removed but I don't want cables attached to my head and I don't want a fat "here is evidence of my wrongdoings, seize me" marker stuck to the side of my head.


As for the automatic visor opener/closer, I was actually and quite coincidentally considering that about 5 hours ago, decided it would be a waste of time, but it would be cool. Custom fitted helmet liners would be pricey but if it ended up affordable, not inflatable and actually worked it would be a good idea.


EDIT: Just read the post above mine, that summarises my thoughts quite well.


^^ this, exactly this!

A camera with the lens just to the left of my left eye, behind the visor where it cannot be seen, and sees almost exactly what I see. The SD slot and buttons should be at the lower left edge of the lining so I can use them while riding with my left hand (don't want to have to take right hand off throttle).

The camera should be capable of 720p60, or 1080p30.

I would pay a premium for this. If you make one, please let me know, because I want to give you hundreds of pounds.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Motorbike Research Reply with quote

What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet?
My hat no longer fits.

Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature
Not whilst I have the use of my hands.

Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature
I have earplugs for that.

Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature
All my helmets are custom fitted once they bed in.

Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you
I decorate my helmets with the bodies of flies.

Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature
How much more effective can you get than an open face helmet?

... and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
only by putting the helmet on the "features I don't need that make it more expensive" list and thus removing them from selection.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Motorbike Research Reply with quote

steveclarke12 wrote:
I am a Loughborough University Student currently working on a Final year design project which focus is on motorcycle helmets. I am currently researching and investigating into problems and issues encountered by the motorbike population in an attempt to find a design solution! (specifically motorbike helmets)

Any response to the questions below would be greatly appreciated.


What issues do you encounter, if any, when using a motorcycle helmet?
fogging/overheating/high noise levels/adjustment issues/comfort issues/other
If other please state…


Can you go into detail about this issue? Why does it occur? How often does it occur? How detrimental to your experience is it? Have you tried to fix it? If so how?


Would you consider an automated/handsfree activated visor to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
PLEASE
Would you consider a sound dampening/insulating inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
PLEASE
Would you consider a custom fitted inner lining to be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
PLEASE
Would a customizable graphics service be something that would interest you and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
PLEASE
Would an advanced/more effective ventilation system be a beneficial feature and would it influence your decision when purchasing?
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 15 Nov 2011    Post subject: Re: Motorbike Research Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
My suggestion is something I'd quite like myself.

A good idea Thumbs Up.

I think I'd add a movement activated automatic-record function.

Of course you could also look to add an extra camera or three for better coverage.

For me I'd be happy enough with relatively low res; enough to show that it was the other road user at fault.
Good low light performance needed.

Clanger: Shoei helmets allow you to mix and match various bits of padding to fine-tune helmets to your size/head shape.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for the positive responses. All are helping narrow down issues and problems that you guys have, so that i can then attempt to design for them.

As someone who does not ride personally, the reason for user research is to help give direction and rationale to my project. It ensures that i am designing towards a solution that is actually a solution

Off to NEC Birmingham for the upcoming bike exhibition saturday for some first hand research!! Smile
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 16 Nov 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveclarke12 wrote:


Off to NEC Birmingham for the upcoming bike exhibition saturday for some first hand research!! Smile


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