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PostPosted: 22:43 - 08 Dec 2011    Post subject: Learners will be allowed on Motorways Reply with quote

If you believe the press, it will not be compulsory, but it is being seen as an effort to reduce the apppaling standard of Motorway driving.

I assume if it is going to be available for cars, then motorcyclists should be allowed on as well.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8941211/Learner-drivers-to-be-allowed-on-motorways.html
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 08 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomzo47 wrote:
anybody who goes on a motorway on a 125 is an idiot tho, its just dangerous


Nonsense, plenty of people on here ride their 125s on the motorway. I take my RXS100 onto the motorway.

Riding bikes is dangerous.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 08 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok let me rephrase that. going on a 125 on a motorway when you're just LEARNING to ride a bike is dangerous, specially when a lot of learners dont even wear a jacket
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 08 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suddenly passing your test doesn't make you a riding god though. Obviously however, there's no way you could chuck a moped on a motorway.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 08 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomzo47 wrote:
ok let me rephrase that. going on a 125 on a motorway when you're just LEARNING to ride a bike is dangerous, specially when a lot of learners dont even wear a jacket


I wear full leathers on my 125, but that doesn't mean I will go on a motorway on it Laughing fuck that.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 08 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomzo47 wrote:
ok let me rephrase that. going on a 125 on a motorway when you're just LEARNING to ride a bike is dangerous, specially when a lot of learners dont even wear a jacket


Sorry, that's fair enough.

To be fair, I think this should be allowed for riders but only when being followed by a qualified instructor. Which is pretty much the same as what the car drivers would be allowed to do.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 08 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i agree with that, so long as they are with a qualified instructor, just i can see a load of people who have just passed CBT going on a motorway and its just going to be dangerous, I dont even like dual carriageways, too many inconsiderate drivers around, let alone motorways!
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have never found a problem with being on Duals (and NI's motorways are just Dual carriageways bar like a mile stretch at yorkgate), Never had a problem coasting along at 65/45 Laughing

Perfectly safe as long as you keep your wits about you and accept the fact that you're on a 125, you're doing max 65 and you're not going to be doing lots of overtaking!
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PostPosted: 06:13 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I wear full leathers on my 125, but that doesn't mean I will go on a motorway on it Laughing fuck that.


If you've ridden on dual carriageway/multi-lane A roads that are national speed limit, it's not much different. If anything it's better with the wider lanes and I've found the road surface is often less pot-holed etc (some sections of the A13 are atrocious).
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PostPosted: 06:43 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've needed this for years, I do think that learners need some experience of the motorway.

Whilst motorways are allegedly the safest place to be on our roads, it's still a scary experience for someone who's never driven on one before, and it's easy to make a mess of it.

What they should really do is re-educate the idiots who decide to stay in the middle lane regardless.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a bad thing, I don't approve, that's all we need a bunch of limp wristed learners clogging up the motorway when you're trying to get places, they can practice on dual carriageways there's not a lot of difference.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorways are, in general, safer than NSL Dual Carraigeways so I never understood the reasons for not allowing learners on. Unless it's because learners are all pathetic and would hold everyone up with their dicking around feeding the steering etc.....

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PostPosted: 09:15 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
that's all we need a bunch of limp wristed learners clogging up the motorway when you're trying to get places


This is what the overtaking lanes are for Wink If everyone used them properly there wouldnt be clogging up or traffic jams.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair if it improves the standard of driving then happy days. This assumes the instructors know how to use the motorways.

They'll only be dicing with the lorries on the inside lane so meh.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
tomzo47 wrote:
ok let me rephrase that. going on a 125 on a motorway when you're just LEARNING to ride a bike is dangerous, specially when a lot of learners dont even wear a jacket


I wear full leathers on my 125, but that doesn't mean I will go on a motorway on it Laughing fuck that.
I use the motorway on my 125 during the winter as the a road between Blackburn and Bolton is like an ice rink during winter. Its alot smoother on a 600 but i have no issues sometimes get a whizz down the German lane to avoid middle lane knobs. Wouldnt want to if i was still on L plates tho.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It scares me at times what this country is coming to.

Some learner drivers are dangerous, and yet are still taken on the road by driving instructors.

I think rather than this, they should make the "pass plus" (or whatever it's called) compulsory for motorway driving. That way if "learners" want to go on the motorway, they will have to have passed their test first, which shows they have some level of competency.

I just fear that some driving instructors will take learners on the motorway before they're ready. It seems some learners are on the road before they can even control a car properly (well, atleast steering, braking, and basic maneuvering).
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then instructors with poor judgement will die along with their incompetent charges, and the rest of us can have cake to celebrate. It's so delicious and moist.

shereen wrote:
Jim Mc wrote:
that's all we need a bunch of limp wristed learners clogging up the motorway when you're trying to get places


This is what the overtaking lanes are for Wink If everyone used them properly there wouldnt be clogging up or traffic jams.


... which is more likely to happen if you've actually been taught how to drive/ride on the motorway. Since nobody up to now has even had that option (prior to passing), it should improve the situation for everyone.

Aside, what's up with Mike Penning? Why does he keep coming up with reasonable, common sense improvements to driver/rider training/tests - it's almost as though he's actually interested in "Road Safety". Confused

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PostPosted: 10:33 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

More legislation that actually makes sense from the government! WTF is the world coming too?

Though, whether and how it will translate to bikes will be interest to see.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand what's so hard about the motorway. Safest piece of road if you ask me... no corners, no idiots pulling out on you, all you have to worry about is switching lanes and merging that's about it.

As for L platers going on the motorway, don't see the issue with that either, took a Skyjet 125 up the M1 from Nottingham a few months back, not scary at all, I mean I was being overtaken by artics at about 1mph but not really an issue if you stay in your lane.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get what the big deal is. It's just like a duel carriageway tbh. If your bike can do speeds of about 50 then It's all good. Cool
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

snorty wrote:
no idiots pulling out on you


Do you live in uk?
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it. I'll send Mr Penning my CV with a link to my other (slightly related) post Very Happy

If it does nothing else but teach people which lane they should be in then it'll be worth it.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomzo47 wrote:
anybody who goes on a motorway on a 125 is an idiot tho, its just dangerous


I disagree.

There are no motorways where I live, but the A11 might as well be one, and I was always fine at 60+ on an NS125.

If you can keep up with traffic, what's the problem?

Remember, motorways are the safest roads in the country
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