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 Posted: 10:45 - 06 Dec 2011 Post subject: The Frogs and the Bosch are balls deep in each other |
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Why did the world liberate the French from the Germans all those years ago to have them Hand in Hand today?
They can take their Europe and shove it up their arse/s.
Vichy Filth.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16045668
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 Rogerborg nimbA

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Problem: enforcing a single currency across disparate economies, crippling the weaker as they struggle to keep pace with the stronger.
Solution: tighter enforcement.
L'union fait la force! Arbeit macht frei!
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 Posted: 14:04 - 07 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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Forget the millions of Europeans affected, the EU won’t even bother to put its attempt to seize control over member state economies to a vote amongst its own parliamentary cronies, preferring instead to change the Lisbon Treaty under powers Eurocrats granted themselves.
Having repeatedly staged national referendums until they got the vote they wanted, the Lisbon Treaty was passed with a provision, the obscure ‘passerelle’ clause, Art. 126 (14) via protocol 12, that bestowed upon Brussels the power to change its terms without any kind of vote whatsoever – popular or parliamentary.
“This decision does not require ratification at national level. This procedure could therefore lead to rapid and significant changes,” according to a confidential text issued by EU President Herman Van Rompuy.
This means that any effort to change the treaty in order to create a “fiscal union,” or in other words, impose centralized control over every member state’s economy from Brussels, would simply be accomplished with the stroke of a pen and would not involve votes from any national parliament or any MEP.
This would then empower the European Commission, “to impose austerity measures on eurozone countries that are being bailed out, usurping the functions of government in countries such as Greece, Ireland, or Portugal,” reports the Guardian.
Imagine that. A treaty that can be amended and revised without any ratification. Ahh, god bless the EU eh?
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 Posted: 14:19 - 07 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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When even the Grauniad is coming out against Europe, you know something serious is up.
Meet your President and mine, the man you didn't vote for and had never heard of, the Limp-Dishrag-in-Chief, Herman Van Rompuy...
https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Business/Pix/pictures/2011/12/6/1323182918601/Herman-Van-Rompuy-007.jpg
...the tiny grey nobody who will achieve with a rubber stamp what Napoleon and Hitler failed to do though force of arms: create a Thousand Year Union.
And like all despots, he'll do it with the best of intentions, and for the greater good. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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now I realise why I felt the need to re-read "Fatherland" this week..... ____________________ "intelligent inattention is preferable to unintelligent tinkering"
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| Kris wrote: | Forget the millions of Europeans affected, the EU won’t even bother to put its attempt to seize control over member state economies to a vote amongst its own parliamentary cronies, preferring instead to change the Lisbon Treaty under powers Eurocrats granted themselves.
Having repeatedly staged national referendums until they got the vote they wanted, the Lisbon Treaty was passed with a provision, the obscure ‘passerelle’ clause, Art. 126 (14) via protocol 12, that bestowed upon Brussels the power to change its terms without any kind of vote whatsoever – popular or parliamentary.
“This decision does not require ratification at national level. This procedure could therefore lead to rapid and significant changes,” according to a confidential text issued by EU President Herman Van Rompuy.
This means that any effort to change the treaty in order to create a “fiscal union,” or in other words, impose centralized control over every member state’s economy from Brussels, would simply be accomplished with the stroke of a pen and would not involve votes from any national parliament or any MEP.
This would then empower the European Commission, “to impose austerity measures on eurozone countries that are being bailed out, usurping the functions of government in countries such as Greece, Ireland, or Portugal,” reports the Guardian.
Imagine that. A treaty that can be amended and revised without any ratification. Ahh, god bless the EU eh?
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The UK has passed the European Union Act 2011, and that is why a new or heavily modified treaty would need to have a referendum. It's a fair bet that Cameron wishes he never passed that now! The Lisbon treaty is a separate issue. |
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 Posted: 18:31 - 07 Dec 2011 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Forget the millions of Europeans affected, the EU won’t even bother to put its attempt to seize control over member state economies to a vote amongst its own parliamentary cronies, preferring instead to change the Lisbon Treaty under powers Eurocrats granted themselves.
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And if it were to go through the usual process the national backlash would as usual reach no further than national parliaments, in the form of votes at the next elections.
| Quote: | The reforms Chancellor Angela Merkel is pushing — hard caps on national government deficits — will ensure the ultimate demise of the euro, years of economic stagnation or worse. For many governments, those caps will be one half or even one quarter of recent annual deficits, and to comply they will dramatically raise taxes, cut spending and curtail pensions and other social benefits. |
Europe is being reduced to nothing, a clear path to those doing it with all make believe democratic processes out of the picture, so there can be no confusion and no excuses, is the absolute best that can be hoped for.
Nations leave this from a place of strength or not at all.
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DAVID Cameron last night set his face against a referendum on Europe as France and Germany laid out their master plan to save the euro, including a new treaty and tougher sanctions for states flouting deficit limits.
While the Prime Minister's stance will disappoint his most eurosceptic colleagues, who want an in-out referendum, he held out the prospect that if the UK were involved in agreeing to treaty change, then there might be an opportunity to repatriate some powers, say, on employment law, away from Brussels |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 127 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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