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Ericck
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: How to drill out fairing stud or other solution Reply with quote

Following on from yesterdays post, firstly thanks for all the advice as I have got out all the studs bar one stubborn pig.

Can't cut a slit in it and use a screwdriver as it is in a recess. Have tried banging in a torx bit but plastic fairing so don't want to hit it any harder.

Head is even now more rounded due to todays efforts. The stud is a round head with an allen key recess in the middle. I have heard you can drill these things out, have a drill and can buy a bit but don't really know how to go about it.

Obviously don't want to split or melt the fairing, so is it just a case of drilling down the middle of the stud?

Anyone done this who could give me advice, much appreciated.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont suppose you are as lucky as me and can get to the back of the bolt itself? I can get to a few fairing bolts from the back and use long nose pliers and twist them out that way.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No unfortunately the stuck stud is attached to the maintenance panel which in turn is attached to the fairing. Got the maintenance panel off the other side which enabled me to get at a few studs on that side from the back.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Re: How to drill out fairing stud or other solution Reply with quote

Ericck wrote:
...so is it just a case of drilling down the middle of the stud?


That's precisely it. Personally, I'd be trying some penetrating oil first, but if you *have* to drill it, get a drill bit that's a bit smaller in diameter than the bolt's thread, and make sure that you're perfectly in line with the direction of the bolt.
When drilling, you want a medium-high speed, and don't apply too much pressure.
If you're careful, and your alignment was good, you should be able to pick the remaining bits of bolt out of the receiving threads without too much trouble. Now would be the time to consider applying copper slip to the new bolt, too.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Re: How to drill out fairing stud or other solution Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Ericck wrote:
...so is it just a case of drilling down the middle of the stud?


That's precisely it. Personally, I'd be trying some penetrating oil first, but if you *have* to drill it, get a drill bit that's a bit smaller in diameter than the bolt's thread, and make sure that you're perfectly in line with the direction of the bolt.
When drilling, you want a medium-high speed, and don't apply too much pressure.
If you're careful, and your alignment was good, you should be able to pick the remaining bits of bolt out of the receiving threads without too much trouble. Now would be the time to consider applying copper slip to the new bolt, too.


Thumbs Up also one thing i do as i dont have any other means lol...... a can of wd 40 and cotinually spray the drill bit and bolt you are drilling, i have found when drilling delicate bolts it doesnt melt the plasic (as long as you dont drill to fast) and i also found my drill bits last longer too.....

others may have a better tip but this works for me
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoa, whoa, before you try drilling right into the stud, first drill the head off. Little pilot hole in the centre, switch up to a bit that's as least as wide as the stud, and drill carefully just until the head separates.

Then you can get the fairing off, and there may be enough of the stud protruding that you can get some grips on it.
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Ericck
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Whoa, whoa, before you try drilling right into the stud, first drill the head off. Little pilot hole in the centre, switch up to a bit that's as least as wide as the stud, and drill carefully just until the head separates.

Then you can get the fairing off, and there may be enough of the stud protruding that you can get some grips on it.


That seems a good idea, once fairing is off remainder of stud should
be easier to get out.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
If you drill that bolt, i reckon there's a good chance that it will melt the fairing. Is the bolt one of the wide rimmed ones. Do you have a pic? If it is, there might be another way.


If it melts the fairing you are doing something wrong. OE fairing bolts are made of soft cheese, primula is harder. A good quality drill bit (dorma are fantastic) will have the head off a fairing bolt faster than the warped one can shoot his load.

A pair of mole grips on the remainig stud after the fairing is off will generally get it out.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am worried about drilling it but got to learn sometime. Did ask a mechanic on another forum how much but he said its £80 for a full service Confused yep don't ask.

Anyway screwfix sell a screw extractor set thingy for less than £3 where you drill in a bit and insert the thingy and twist it out Exclamation

So am hoping can use a small drill bit and try that. If not then already got pilot hole and then try to drill off the head as per Rogerborg.

If it looks like going pear shaped then I will stop. Will use plenty of WD40 when drilling.

If I can't do it I will post a picture tomorrow as bike is not at house so can't take picture tonight.

Thanks for all the advice, people can really benefit from these forums, gives me ideas Idea I would never have thought of and saves paying £80 for a full service when you need a screw drilling Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 09 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A left-hand drill is a good idea. My opinion is that the biggest risk from drilling a fairing bolt in a recess is snapping the drill and gouging the fairing. Use several layers of masking tape on the fairing around the hole to afford some small protection. Masking tape is particularly useful if you layer it us as the tape bunches up if it's caught and the glue acts as a lubricant which might just save your paintwork.
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PostPosted: 05:51 - 10 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRILL SLOWLY
That's all there is to it.
Most drills these days are variable speed; so vary it, to the lowest setting, and dont push too hard, just let it take a sliver of metal off nice and gently, and if you can, get some-one to keep it cool with water, from a washing up licquid bottle or similar while you drill.
Or stop frequently, let it cool, squirt water on bit and bolt, and then do a bit more.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 10 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're getting a drill from an engineering suppliers, such as BBS Fastnet or the like.
Get some Rocol cutting fluid too, cheap enough for a small bottle, a drop or two on the drill bit keeps it cool enough, aids cutting, and lengthens the life of your drill bits.
Also a set of £3 screw extractors will NEVER be any use, don't bother with them.

+ what Rogerborg said, the head of a fairing bolt will be off in seconds.

Dog


ps.
Get Plusgas while you're there, much better as a penetrating fluid than WD40.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 10 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgydog wrote:
Also a set of £3 screw extractors will NEVER be any use, don't bother with them.


Well thanks to the advice I got on here the stud is out and no damge to the fairing Thumbs Up

Tried with the drill bits I had and just went round so bought some cobalt bits (cancelled the screw extractors at the same time) and not long at all and off came the head of the stud (cooled with WD40 as all I had), got the remainder out with long nose pliers.

So a good day all round, even managed to wire up some new indicators and they only worked. Always had bikes but never had much confidence or tools to work on them before. Now I have this winter/project bike, with the help of forums I am slowly learning Smile

Gonna give her a bit of service next week, so might need a few more tips.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 10 Dec 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ericck wrote:


(cooled with WD40 as all I had),



it was all i had when i tryed it, now i am never without it Thumbs Up well done Thumbs Up
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