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| shaunt6 wrote: | im 17 in 1 month and it will take me ages to save up for a bigger bike and to insure a 125 at 17 its like 650 700 quid and my freind has had aa big bore kit since he brought it back in febuary and nothing has gone wrong with it and its a cm racing 74cc bbk |
Please learn to use punctuation!
Its cheap to insure 125's, I dont know what youve been quoting for! Around £300 to insure a CG125 TPFT, £500 to insure a sports 125 (GPR, RS125, XTC 125) .
So your friend has had a 70 kit for a few months and thinks he knows everything about tuning two stroke engines? No. You came on here to ask a question and we gave you sensible structured answers. Your not hearing what you want to hear so your trying to argue the point.
Either accept what were saying and follow out advice, or go do what you want and then come back and cry in a couple months when you either seize your engine, snap your crank, cant get it to run or had your bike confiscated by the cops. ____________________ Former: Derbi GP1 50, Sachs XTC 125, Suzuki GSXR 400 GK73A, Kawasaki ZX7R, Suzuki DR250, Yamaha RD350
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Please learn to use punctuation!
It's cheap to insure 125s, I don't know what you've been quoting for! Around £300 to insure a CG125 TPFT, £500 to insure a sports 125 (GPR, RS125, XTC 125).
So your friend has had a 70 kit for a few months and thinks he knows everything about tuning two stroke engines? No. You came on here to ask a question and we gave you sensible structured answers. You're not hearing what you want to hear so you're trying to argue the point.
Either accept what we're saying and follow our advice, or go do what you want and then come back and (Two ands in a sentence) cry in a couple months when you either seize your engine, snap your crank, can't get it to run or had your bike confiscated by the cops. |
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This again?
£250 is a ridiculous amount to spend to make a bike illegal for P(ed) license holders to ride. If you're going to ride a bike outwith the terms of your license, just get an SV650S. It's exactly as legal (or otherwise) as riding a 70cc bike on a ped license.
Or suck it up, part the ped out, and buy a 125 when you turn 17. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Seriously? the guy came on, asking which is the best 70cc kit. And you go into some lecture about how he should get a 125. then when it turns out he cant, you get all upset and moan at him? He asked a question, and then you moan about the question.  |
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| shaunt6 wrote: | im 17 in 1 month and it will take me ages to save up for a bigger bike and to insure a 125 at 17 its like 650 700 quid and my freind has had aa big bore kit since he brought it back in febuary and nothing has gone wrong with it and its a cm racing 74cc bbk |
What worth is insurance that wont be honoured?
Try asking your insurance how much it would be to insure a 70cc Derbi Senda...
If its bigger than 50cc its not a moped.
If it can do more than 35mph its not a moped.
Needs Re-Registration, & VOSA inspection to be re-registered as a motorcycle; THEN you need to declare the 'modification' of your moped to make it a motorcycle to your insurance.
250 for a big bore kit; with inherent risk that will exponentially deminish reliability. Usually small ends, pistons and crank seals.
250+ for Vosa inspection
Gawd knows how much 'loading' on the insurance for the declared mods.
Does NOT make any kind of ecconomic sense.
Do it 'on the dodge'... dont declare it... soon as you are spotted using it; you may have a licence, but vehicle itself wont be legally insured; you will have obtained insurance by deception; so you can be done for insurance fraud as WELL as riding without valid insurance. Bike is also 'other than described on the registration'... ie its a motorbike, not a moped. Lack of valid insurance is grounds to sieze it; fact that its not in accordance with registration, grounds for it to be crushed.
Worth the risk?
Go for it.
BUT; 250 goes a long way to a 125 insurance policy, and given that if you do not get your licence on a 125 in the next 53 weeks, then you are likely to be stuck on a 125 for the next SEVEN YEARS, due to 3rd directive laws..... PERSONALLY rather than fucking around trying to mastermind some bit of criminal genius to get an extra couple couple of mph out of a moped, and save a few penies on an insurance policy not worth the paper its printed on...
I would be looking to put that 250 towards the price of theory/hazard, & Mods 1 & 2, and finding a bike to do them on by hook or by crook, and getting that licence in my pocket....
Will let you LEGALLY ride any size bike you like up to 33bhp, and at 19 years old, restriction will lapse and you will be able to ride any bike, any power...
fuck about with your fifty... you risk loosing what provisional entitlement you have, as well as the bike, and a shit load of money in fines... and NOT getting your tests done this year on a 125, you will NOT in a years time be able to test for anything bigger than a 125 'only' A1 licence; you'll possibly have to hold that for two years in order to qualify to test for A2, if you cant do it at 17, but either way, A2 testing will basically demand a DAS style course to train up on a 400+cc bike, up to 45bhp, which you will have to test on... which will give you a 45bhp restricted licence, for at least two years, when you may qualify to test DAS style, yet again on a 500+cc bike over 45bhp, to gain full unrestricted A. Though few schools are planning the investment to get a new 'A2 fleet' to offer courses, so IF you find one it WILL be expensive, AND to get a 'Full' licence YOU could have, this year, for a couple of hundred quid and a bit of thought and application in the right direction.... you'll have to wait until you are 24 to do DAS, or do two DAS courses to get there via A2...
SO!
back in your court....
You can spend your time and money fixing up a fancy fifty, that's never going to be anything but a fancy fifty...
and to ride legally is going to cost you WHEY more than a 125
or ride it 'illegally' hoping not to get caught and have the fuck fined out of you.
and, be stuck on L'plates, pretty much until the back end of never, in the teenage time-scale...
OR...
You can try and cash in the fifty for whatever you can recoup, and try and do something a little more useful:
a) get a 'cheap' read less fancy, 125...
(I suspect you have been getting quotes for stuff like TZR's, DT's NSR's or RS125's, that are in the same insurance group as some frigging 500's..... (My DT125 is actually 50% MORE a year to insure than my 750!) rather than something a little more mundane, like a CG125 or YBR, or even an EN, four stroke, that are about three groups lower and PROBABLY no more to insure than your 50...)
Put your sense of 'style' and aspirations for 'performance' to one side for a while and cut cloth to suit your means.
And use it to get tests done on, and get that 'Full' licence, this year that opens the door and puts you perhaps six years ahead of tits that cant be arsed or dont bother, and long term saves you thousands.
b) if funds too tight even for that; fuck owning a bike off altogether; put what you got into the tests, and use what you have to borrow a bike, or rent a bike to get THAT in your pocket.
Licence, once you have it, is valid till you are seventy.
Thats PLENTY of time to save up for something more your 'style' with as much performance as you can afford or handle....
And, 33bhp restrict? Actually. no great shakes; longer you take saving up, more of teh restriction period is lapsing.... rather then time to 3rd directive licence system, and weeks validity on your CBT cert ebbing away.....
Stop trying to beat the system, by breaking the rules, any idiot can do that, but very small, short term gain, EVEN if you 'get away with it'.... want to really beat the system? Beat them at thier own game and GET that licence they don't want you to have.
Fuck the bikes; bikes come and go, and life is long. You can have any number over the years; you only ever have ONE licence.
So what makes most sense? Big bore kit? A few extra illegal mph, or a licence that lets you LEGALLY have just about as much performance as you could ever want? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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if it was me and i was 16 again,
i would tell all these guys to get fucked,
nothing like learning a lesson the hard way
i'm double your age, and i'd still tell them to get fucked and chuck on the big bore kit
but, i have a full licence and can afford to lose a few hundred quid,
as it stands, a standard 50cc kit is perhaps the best option,
Doppler do a good 50cc high compression kit with a nikasil barrel
and for big bore the polini kits are always pretty well finished ____________________ the humans are dead
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I think the 125 engine drops straight into the 50cc frame. Have been considering it with my Senda. Everyone I have spoken to that has fitted the 70cc big bore jit have had their engine blow up shortly after.
I have a lovely rebuilt 50cc engine that I'm open to offers on, new main bearings and seals, new piston, rings, little end bearing, water pump, head gasket, plug etc ____________________ “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” |
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