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PostPosted: 11:25 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Hyosung GTR 250 vs Kawasaki 250 ninja twin thingy Reply with quote

What one would you choose and why?

I`ve looked at the Kawasaki in my local dealers showroom, and it looks like a great bit of kit as a pocket rocket for journeys that would not be to big in the milage department.
However for a big lump like me it looks like it`s just to small Sad .

I had seen a couple of the Hyosung GTR`s (250) over the summer and thought that they seemed like good bikes.
Bigger than the Kawasaki is a plus point in my book.

Both are distgustingly expensive for what they are? ... unless you know different?


What do you lot think?
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's like asking "who was the greatest humanitarian, Stalin or Hitler?".

Neither of them are very good, especially for the money asked.


Ok? they will never measure up to a good 250 LC granted or even a good air cooled 250 RD .

Why do you think they are poor?
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not personally had a go on the GTR250 but a workmate had one, with a loud pipe it actually sounded quite nice but it was one of the few bikes out there that actually made my little XJR seem fast. A well ridden RS125 could give it a run for it's money imo.

You're looking at a 250 to keep it under 33bhp I guess? I'd say get one of the non sporty 400s or even an SV650 and a restricter kit. Out of the current 250s only the Honda seems to make any sense at all.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Hyosung GTR 250 vs Kawasaki 250 ninja twin thingy Reply with quote

If the GTR could be got cheaply, would consider it.
Otherwise, it's heavy/big which seems to be the main detractor.

If I was in the market for that sort of bike however, I'd go for the older ZZR250, or just a restricted SV.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Hyosung GTR 250 vs Kawasaki 250 ninja twin thingy Reply with quote

G wrote:
If the GTR could be got cheaply, would consider it.
Otherwise, it's heavy/big which seems to be the main detractor.

If I was in the market for that sort of bike however, I'd go for the older ZZR250, or just a restricted SV.


See, that`s the thing? I`ve got my ZX6R sitting in the garage and I have a full license, so that`s not the problem.
The price of some of the absolute crap that passes as second-hand bikes is quite scary.
So ONLY toying with a few ideas at the moment made me think of these two bikes?.

As I said in other threads, I need to sell the CG 125 and complete the XS400 before I move on to the next thing?/project?, but I like to keep a few ideas floating around in the meantime Thumbs Up

EDIT : Is there anybody on the mighty BCF who has owned either of these two bikes that can give me an honest opinion? Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Hyosung GTR 250 vs Kawasaki 250 ninja twin thingy Reply with quote

If you've got the zx6, what's your interest in these bikes?
Lower power for better ragability? Better fuel economy?

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EDIT : Is there anybody on the mighty BCF who has owned either of these two bikes that can give me an honest opinion? Thumbs Up

Consider how 'useful' an opinion of someone that's spunked over £3k on a shiny new bike may be Wink.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pm delvey91 he owned a ninja 250 Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't see the advantage of one of these over a sports 400. I quite fancy an xjr400 as they go for peanuts. Although most need a new cam chain I'm told. Would make a good project.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Hyosung GTR 250 vs Kawasaki 250 ninja twin thingy Reply with quote

G wrote:
If you've got the zx6, what's your interest in these bikes?
Lower power for better ragability? Better fuel economy?

[Consider how 'useful' an opinion of someone that's spunked over £3k on a shiny new bike may be Wink.


Point taken Thumbs Up .

Why do I have an interest in smaller cc bikes? , "kin ell!" that`s a hard one?
Part of the reason I guess is that I find getting anywhere on the ZX6R to easy? Confused if that makes sense?
If I was doing longer distances more often then the ZX6R would be my choice every time.
I suppose if I had a bike that I was`nt so fussy about, I might get out and riding a bit more, so I suppose I`m looking for a bike to abuse Shocked .
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just don't see the advantage of one of these over a sports 400.


Surely the tax & insurance will be savers?
I`m not going to get into a lot of trouble on a 250 am I? Smile
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
beechbone wrote:
I just don't see the advantage of one of these over a sports 400.


Surely the tax & insurance will be savers?
I`m not going to get into a lot of trouble on a 250 am I? Smile


Fair point. How about a CB250? Maybe the RS? Or do you want something with a fairing?
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

beechbone wrote:

Fair point. How about a CB250? Maybe the RS? Or do you want something with a fairing?


does`nt HAVE to have a fairing?, spose at the moment I`ve got the pocket-rocket thing going on in my head??
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
beechbone wrote:

Fair point. How about a CB250? Maybe the RS? Or do you want something with a fairing?


does`nt HAVE to have a fairing?, spose at the moment I`ve got the pocket-rocket thing going on in my head??

The trouble is that they make about 30bhp and don't weigh that little. So you'll end up with a small slow bike rather than a small fun one.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzuki's answer to thr Honda and Kwaka is due soon (will be months though)

The 'Inazuma', are they really going to call it that in the UK!!!? Laughing

Anyway, due in the Autumn. Check it out via Googley.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
beechbone wrote:
I just don't see the advantage of one of these over a sports 400.


Surely the tax & insurance will be savers?
I`m not going to get into a lot of trouble on a 250 am I? Smile


You would like to think.
When I passed I looked at them... cost me £800 for a 250 "Ninja" and £150 for an SV Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Re: Hyosung GTR 250 vs Kawasaki 250 ninja twin thingy Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
GTR250 vs Ninja 250


Personally, I wouldn't go for either. I hate I2 engines with a passion, and the GTR is still a bit too porky to work for me. It looks pretty from a distance, but up close it seems like the manufacturers were working with the low-resolution version of the blueprints. I don't believe that it's badly made, it just looks a little crude.
It's weird - they've got the fairing shape right (although they need to fire whoever it is that comes up with the decals) but in the details of the frame and chassis design, it just looks like the designers favoured working with duplo over CAD.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
beechbone wrote:
I just don't see the advantage of one of these over a sports 400.


Surely the tax & insurance will be savers?
I`m not going to get into a lot of trouble on a 250 am I? Smile


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Tax bands
151-400 = £35.00

401-600 = £53.00



As to ins. That will depend.

Lets just say I went for a ZZR 250 to a XJ 600 and the 600 was cheaper......

Advantage over the sports 400 is going to be the fact that the 250's are newer and less likely to have a seriously abused history.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried the Ninja and it was quite fun, but needed big wristfulls of revving to make progress. It is small, which is how I like 'em. But the value for money proposition just isn't there, it's nearly as much as an SV650 new and used asking prices tend towards the extreme.

The Hyosung is a much bigger bike - essentially it's a GS500 frame - and would suit a lardier more Epic rider. But it's 28.5hp, rather than 33, so performance is going to be "commuter" rather than "fun". Prices are more realistic, but you have to be able to find one that's been looked after.

Personally I went for an impulse purchase of a GPz 305, which performs much like the Ninja but with a bit more lazy torque, plus the added thrill of wondering when the engine will eat itself or the £200 rubber band snap. But if I had the sense I'd been born with, I'd have restricted any of the 500 twins and got a lot more bike for the money.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

Advantage over the sports 400 is going to be the fact that the 250's are newer and less likely to have a seriously abused history.



Hahahaha...........


I know two people with a Kawasaki 250's, the first one, Fran, despite not being young and foolish (shes 40, and if she reads this she will hurt me) the bike get's very little maintainance from her. I had to barate her last year and hold the back wheel off the ground to get her to lube the chain. It does get serviced on time by one of her friends who also stamps the book so to a buyer it would look good, but all the regular tinkering that keeps a bike in top form has been missed.

Its on a 10 plate and already has electrical faults like a rad fan that wont turn off unless we pull the fuse out...

Another woman I know has one too, in green (the one mentioned above is black and looks much better for it) The 'C' spanner managed to escape from the tool kit and find it's way into the front sprocket Shocked that cost her a chain and sprockets kit and how it didnt jam the sprocket solid is a lucky mystery. This green one has a MTC moto-GP can on it... sounds like something from an 80's arcade game and even drowns out my Daytona's race can Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The Hyosung is a much bigger bike - and would suit a lardier rider.

I went for an impulse purchase of a GPz 305, which performs much like the Ninja but with a bit more lazy torque, plus the added thrill of wondering when the engine will eat itself or the £200 rubber band snap.


Lardier Shocked I dont know what you mean!.

I have thought about the 305 but they do have that cam holder/engine eating problem Sad
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 02 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oi, I said "Epic"!

I'm really enjoying my '305, but I honestly couldn't recommend one in good conscience because of the ticking timebombs of the oil filter and the drive belt. If it wasn't for those, it would be a modern classic, but does have them, and so sadly it isn't. I suspect the few still in service will be ridden until they properly assplode, and then get parted or scrapped.
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PostPosted: 01:29 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an EL250, the kawasaki eliminator that shared the same engine, if it wasn't for the fact I bought it cheap and sold it for a good profit I would have eliminated it from my garage

I would rather have a CB250RS
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 03 Jan 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit late here, but I own the remains of a hyo gt250r after i had an altercation with a fallen tree.

I found the power acceptable - it was certainly quick in comparison to most cars but obviously it's not a 600!

Initially it felt quite twitchy in the corners until I bought a set of pilot road 2s for it. After that it was a different bike, the weight no longer mattered as much in the corners and I got to the point where I was toe downing on roundabouts. I loved the fact that you could ride it hard everywhere and still not be in license losing territory, sure it'll only do 107ish and 0-60 (with an exhaust upgrade and rejet) was around 7s but it just seemed more fun to me to be able to rag it everywhere rather than constantly keeping the bike in check as I would on a bigger bike.

Despite the fact that I could go out tomorrow and get myself a ducati 848 or a tvr tuscan (only about £12k now which surprised me!) I love smaller bikes & cars - I have a smart roadster & a fiat 500 (original) and have only ever ridden +250cc bikes when I've hired them. All because roads are limited and the fun factor comes from pushing, not holding back.
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