Sachs Roadster 125

[Matthew_Lee]

https://virago250street.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/sachs-roadster-125-v22.jpg

So I was offered one of these lastnight for £800.
I've been scouring the internet looking for more information but it seems fairly limited. From what I gather Sachs is a German company and this bike in particular is built like a brick S**T house. Also the engine is built by Yamaha.

Does anybody else know anything more about this bike, Speed, reliability etc? Any Info is better than none!
I know it's a v-twin 125... Just something about it makes me want it.

Cheers guys.
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04' Suzuki Marauder GZ-125
78' Honda CB125

[Nope.]

Run away. Run far and run wide.

Sachs build quality is certainly what I would call "Interesting". The electrics are crap for certain.

Getting parts for them is a complete bitch since they went bust and basically they spend 90% of they're time off the road waiting for parts.

So, if you want a bike that your not serious about and just wanna have a laugh and a bit of a project with then maybe, but there are better bikes out there. If you want to actually ride it then id leave it well alone.
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Former: Derbi GP1 50, Sachs XTC 125, Suzuki GSXR 400 GK73A, Kawasaki ZX7R, Suzuki DR250, Yamaha RD350
Current: 2011 Yamaha XT660Z Ténéré, 2003 Yamaha YZR-R1 5PW (In Build), 2009 Kawasaki ZZR1400

[Matthew_Lee]

Really? I had no idea that they went bust.....
Initially yes, the intentions were to have a bit of a project with the bike, just make it look 'one off' seems as they are relatively rare here in the UK....
But your response has just been very direct and blunt haha
Surely though with the engine being built by Yam it's not going to be THAT hard to get parts?
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04' Suzuki Marauder GZ-125
78' Honda CB125

[biker58]

my dad raced motox years ago and he said sachs were a joke back then.

A bloke i knew bought an old motocross non runner which had all honda bits on it but was actually a sachs. Think that sat in his back garden for a couple of years then got scrapped.

£800 will get you something decent if you keep looking.
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1995 Suzuki GSX600F rider

[AlexW]

I have a XTC 125.

The engine internals and some other engine stuff will be available but its the stuff that sachs made themselves that are hard to find. (On the XTC its the rubber intake between the carb/head as both me and computid know)

Any plastic bits will crack, Electrics will fall apart. Just generally shit.

I still love mine but If it wasn't as cheap I would of bought something else and would of loved that as much.

Luckily mine is on the road and working atm.

[Dan_Davies]

looks gorgeous, i'd be tempted but as they've gone bust it would make me think that they cant be all that good
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current ride: 07 suzuki sv650s
ex rides : lifan mirage 125

[Moxey]

Gotta admit I think that looks pretty damn good for a bike and a 125 at that, don't know anything about Sach so can't add anything, but shame if what others say is true about the electrics and such.
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[AlexW]

They did make bikes that look great, I love the looks of my XTC, As long as you are prepared to get your hands dirty and get into it, Go for it. However If you expect it to be a reliable zero maintenance bike, Move on.

And you will be waiting around for a while for parts if you ever need them.

[pepperami]

Three Cross Motorcycles in Dorset were very good when I needed bits for my Sachs.
Mine had Gremica brakes, so they were never a real issue as I could always get parts.
It had a Suzuki engine, so that was never an issue.
I`ve seen smaller frames on 600`s, so the frame was never an issue.
Mikuni carb was a bit of a pig until I got it right, after that it was fine.
Seat/tail unit were a pile of shite!
Electrics were "interesting"
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[Teflon-Mike]

Possible bike?
READ THIS THREAD
Its possibly the same, as in actual ass much as same model, bike pl3ppp was looking to buy four months ago.
See what people said about it then. Wont have changed much.
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[1cyl]

Its a nice lookin bike with the v-twin an all, but i recon i'd spend a fraction more on a nice CG125 and make it look just as good as that with a few tastefull changes an tin-o-polish.

Or

If I desperately wanted a naked look V-Twin, i'd consider saving even more and get a varadero 125 with a scuffed fairing, rip it off and slap a headlight on that bessie!
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[Giddy]

I've rebuilding an 02 Sachs Roadster XV from the ground up. And now wondering if anyone knows if a Yammy XV250 engine will fit the frame? Cheers.

[mivster]

had a sachs xtc and a sachs x road
i didnt learn my lesson from the xtc it was always broke
but still sachs do/did make big sexy looking bikes which drew me in
shame really still one of my fave 125s
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[Giddy]

[quote="mivster"]had a sachs xtc and a sachs x road
i didnt learn my lesson from the xtc it was always broke
but still sachs do/did make big sexy looking bikes which drew me in
shame really still one of my fave 125s [/quote]

Hi Mivster. True, the Swiss design was pretty inspired, in my opinion. Although, a few would say it's a bike with an identity problem.

And well, I've heard that a lot about the unreliability. I seem to be the only one who hasn't had that bad experience with a Sachs. Never ridden a XTC but, I've had a Roadster 650 for going on 7 years now, with 28K on the clock as I use every day. And a part from the hassles of finding parts after being back ended at a junction by an idiot in a Impreza one evening a few years back, it's never missed a beat. Serviced every 3 months etc. Wemoto were, and are still really helpful. And gave me a few equally helpful parts dealers in Germany.

The 125 rebuild has just been a little project over the last 2 years. I had another back in 05 when I first began riding in the UK. And I have to say, even that never gave me any stress. Guess I'm lucky with the make! : ) I only sold that first V2 to part fund the 650.

Anyhow, was offered this V2 for pennies, as yeah, the seller had had nothing but hassles with it. In a bad state cosmetically, due to it being abandoned in a corner of his back yard for a year. But, finally back together and after a bout 375-400 quid, looking pretty much as new. The original XV only had 12K on it, so after a strip down and new seals fired up great (did have to buy a new starter though).

So now, as I've come across a XV250 in good nick, and going for a 150 quid, just wondering anyone has tried putting one in a 125? I think I'm just going to give it a bash. Unless anyone knows any huge reasons why not to..?

[Giddy]

[quote="mivster"]had a sachs xtc and a sachs x road
i didnt learn my lesson from the xtc it was always broke
but still sachs do/did make big sexy looking bikes which drew me in
shame really still one of my fave 125s [/quote]

Hi Mivster. True, the Swiss design was pretty inspired, in my opinion. Although, a few would say it's a bike with an identity problem.

And well, I've heard that a lot about the unreliability. I seem to be the only one who hasn't had that bad experience with a Sachs. Never ridden a XTC but, I've had a Roadster 650 for going on 7 years now, with 28K on the clock as I use every day. And a part from the hassles of finding parts after being back ended at a junction by an idiot in a Impreza one evening a few years back, it's never missed a beat. Serviced every 3 months etc. Wemoto were, and are still really helpful. And gave me a few equally helpful parts dealers in Germany.

The 125 rebuild has just been a little project over the last 2 years. I had another back in 05 when I first began riding in the UK. And I have to say, even that never gave me any stress. Guess I'm lucky with the make! : ) I only sold that first V2 to part fund the 650.

Anyhow, was offered this V2 for pennies, as yeah, the seller had had nothing but hassles with it. In a bad state cosmetically, due to it being abandoned in a corner of his back yard for a year. But, finally back together and after a bout 375-400 quid, looking pretty much as new. The original XV only had 12K on it, so after a strip down and new seals fired up great (did have to buy a new starter though).

So now, as I've come across a XV250 in good nick, and going for a 150 quid, just wondering anyone has tried putting one in a 125? I think I'm just going to give it a bash. Unless anyone knows any huge reasons why not to..?

[Giddy]

[quote="mivster"]had a sachs xtc and a sachs x road
i didnt learn my lesson from the xtc it was always broke
but still sachs do/did make big sexy looking bikes which drew me in
shame really still one of my fave 125s [/quote]

Hi Mivster. True, the Swiss design was pretty inspired, in my opinion. Although, a few would say it's a bike with an identity problem.

And well, I've heard that a lot about the unreliability. I seem to be the only one who hasn't had that bad experience with a Sachs. Never ridden a XTC but, I've had a Roadster 650 for going on 7 years now, with 28K on the clock as I use every day. And a part from the hassles of finding parts after being back ended at a junction by an idiot in a Impreza one evening a few years back, it's never missed a beat. Serviced every 3 months etc. Wemoto were, and are still really helpful. And gave me a few equally helpful parts dealers in Germany.

The 125 rebuild has just been a little project over the last 2 years. I had another back in 05 when I first began riding in the UK. And I have to say, even that never gave me any stress. Guess I'm lucky with the make! : ) I only sold that first V2 to part fund the 650.

Anyhow, was offered this V2 for pennies, as yeah, the seller had had nothing but hassles with it. In a bad state cosmetically, due to it being abandoned in a corner of his back yard for a year. But, finally back together and after a bout 375-400 quid, looking pretty much as new. The original XV only had 12K on it, so after a strip down and new seals fired up great (did have to buy a new starter though).

So now, as I've come across a XV250 in good nick, and going for a 150 quid, just wondering anyone has tried putting one in a 125? I think I'm just going to give it a bash. Unless anyone knows any huge reasons why not to..?

[Giddy]

[quote="mivster"]had a sachs xtc and a sachs x road
i didnt learn my lesson from the xtc it was always broke
but still sachs do/did make big sexy looking bikes which drew me in
shame really still one of my fave 125s [/quote]

Hi Mivster. True, the Swiss design was pretty inspired, in my opinion. Although, a few would say it's a bike with an identity problem.

And well, I've heard that a lot about the unreliability. I seem to be the only one who hasn't had that bad experience with a Sachs. Never ridden a XTC but, I've had a Roadster 650 for going on 7 years now, with 28K on the clock as I use every day. And a part from the hassles of finding parts after being back ended at a junction by an idiot in a Impreza one evening a few years back, it's never missed a beat. Serviced every 3 months etc. Wemoto were, and are still really helpful. And gave me a few equally helpful parts dealers in Germany.

The 125 rebuild has just been a little project over the last 2 years. I had another back in 05 when I first began riding in the UK. And I have to say, even that never gave me any stress. Guess I'm lucky with the make! : ) I only sold that first V2 to part fund the 650.

Anyhow, was offered this V2 for pennies, as yeah, the seller had had nothing but hassles with it. In a bad state cosmetically, due to it being abandoned in a corner of his back yard for a year. But, finally back together and after a bout 375-400 quid, looking pretty much as new. The original XV only had 12K on it, so after a strip down and new seals fired up great (did have to buy a new starter though).

So now, as I've come across a XV250 in good nick, and going for a 150 quid, just wondering anyone has tried putting one in a 125? I think I'm just going to give it a bash. Unless anyone knows any huge reasons why not to..?

[Giddy]

[quote="mivster"]had a sachs xtc and a sachs x road
i didnt learn my lesson from the xtc it was always broke
but still sachs do/did make big sexy looking bikes which drew me in
shame really still one of my fave 125s [/quote]

Cheers for the reply.

True, the Swiss design was pretty inspired, in my opinion too. Although, a few would say it's a bike with an identity problem...

And well, I've heard that a lot about the unreliability. I seem to be the only one who hasn't had that bad experience with a Sachs. Never ridden a XTC but, I've had a Roadster 650 for going on 7 years now, with 28K on the clock as I use every day. And a part from the hassles of finding parts after being back ended at a junction by an idiot in a Impreza one evening a few years back, it's never missed a beat. Serviced every 3 months etc. Wemoto were, and are still really helpful. And gave me a few equally helpful parts dealers in Germany.

The 125 rebuild has just been a little project over the last 2 years. I had another back in 05 when I first began riding in the UK. And I have to say, even that never gave me any stress. Guess I'm lucky with the make! : ) I only sold that first V2 to part fund the 650.

Anyhow, was offered this V2 for pennies, as yeah, the seller had had nothing but hassles with it. In a bad state cosmetically, due to it being abandoned in a corner of his back yard for a year. But, finally back together and after a bout 375-400 quid, looking pretty much as new. The original XV only had 12K on it, so after a strip down and new seals fired up great (did have to buy a new starter though).

So now, as I've come across a XV250 in good nick, and going for a 150 quid, just wondering anyone has tried putting one in a 125? I think I'm just going to give it a bash. Unless anyone knows any huge reasons why not to..?

[P.]

No. Simply put unless you are good at fabricating stuff. Consider the brakes, frame strength, chain alignment, chain size too...

[Giddy]

Glich?? And can't seem to find a way to delete unfortunately either.

[Giddy]

Hey Paddy, thanks for the points. And yeah, considered those.

As far as I can tell, looking at the full tech specs for the Roadster verses the Virago XV250,

brakes - Single 260mm disc, 2 piston calipers, 130mm drum

chain - alignment are the same.

I'm not sure about the loom, it has to be said.

But the frame on the Roadster 125 is considered it's worst part, as it's way heavier (steel) than most believe needed. In this case, I thought that that might be a blessing...?

[Giddy]

Also, after a look through Wemoto's cat. for both the Roadster 125 and Virago 250, chain sold for both are exactly the same specs, i.e.

17.50mm, 10.16mm, 2.0mm, 1.42kg/100 links, 29.8KN

As with these specs too...

Induction, same.
Fork size, same.
Exhaust system, same.

So, with the alignment working out the same, and as I said earlier, the brake drum, disc and calliper being the same, is there anything else I'm overlooking..?

The loom is the only thing I've no idea on, if anyone can shed some light on that too please?