Steering lock and ignition

P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Hi, I haz stol a moped coz it duz 60mph blud, but its got a MASSIVE problm.

Laughing

Anyway, some nugget screwdrivered my ignition and didn't bother snapping the steering.
Helpful knob is helpful!

I'm good with the ignition, can replace that today (I hope)
The steering lock on the other hand... will this be unlocked when I install a new ignition? Reason being... I have been loaned the bike while I fix and repair the GSXR and just by chance I leave the bike outside and it gets touched, cant lock in safe area as the steering lock is on and I cant walk it the 500metres Laughing

Vincent · Banned Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Karma :

If the steering lock is activated by the ignition lock, you should be able to just remove it together. Might be easiest to remove the top yoke/ignition together.

EDIT; second thoughts - if the steering lock's "on", you won't be able to lift the yoke up the forks so you'd have to drill the ignition lock off in situ which might be tricky, unless you remove the forks first.
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P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Sounds like its going to be a PITA.

I have to replace it, its not mine and I'm not returning it sub standard!

Fuck sake... was under CCTV but the people at the bingo who own it are as useful as a cheese crowbar.

Could I just remove the ignition and put new one in set as "lock"

Unsure how the steering lock works on these Thumbs Down

Vincent · Banned Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Karma :

P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

XJ600 Divvy 1993 Thumbs Up

Vincent · Banned Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Karma :

The way I'd sort it is:-

Jack the front of the bike up
Undo speedo cable
Undo calipers and fasten them somewhere safe out of the way
Remove front wheel and mudguard
Loosen all yoke clamp bolts
Drop forks, (no need to remove completely)
Remove steering stem nut on top yoke
Remove top yoke c/w ignition
Drill tamperproof bolts
Remove/replace ignition

You can replace the tamperproof bolts or just use normal allen bolts.
Not sure if you'll have to remove the clocks or not, sometimes there's no need.
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P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Vincent · Banned Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Karma :

P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Have a vice. Dad is going to attempt when I'm at work so will give him the details you posted Thumbs Up

How strong are the tamper bolts Laughing

Thanks for all the advice Karma

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

Tamper proof bolts are not normally in that tightly, but are still gits to get out when the yoke is in place. Cut a slot in them and then use an impact driver, or if you can get at them use some mole grips. However they are designed to be difficult to get at.

On most bikes the ignition switch is also the steering lock. When you lock it a peg comes out from the lock and into a hole in the headstock (probably a small bracket welded to the headstock).

Trouble is that with the steering lock enabled you probably can't remove the top yoke (as the yoke needs to go up over the forks, but the peg in the hole stops it moving that way). What you probably need to do is support the front of the bike, slacken off the clamp bolts on the top yoke for the forks and undo the nut on the top yoke and drop the forks and bottom yoke down a couple of inches. The top yoke should then come off easily (but if it is the original style steering head bearings, these will now be rolling round the surrounding area).

You could drill the lock out, but that might take a while. You could try and smash the lock off, but then you stand a chance of breaking off the mounts on the top yoke for the lock.

All the best

Keith
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P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

So.. if I put it simply.

Loosed top yoke clamp which holds forks.
Remove calipers + speedo cable and remove front end.
Drill out bolts for ignition.
Remove dodgy ignition and replace with new one.

I'm aware its the "simple" way and will more than likely take ages... but is that basically it?

Vincent · Banned Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Karma :

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Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Will I need to loosen the rather large bolt in the centre of the top yoke.

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

You will need to remove that bolt. And also under or slacken right off the nuts under the top yoke for setting the torque on the steering head bearings (and that will be a pain to do with the yoke in place).

All the best

Keith
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P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

They won't be tight but there will likely be 2 of them. One to set the tension, the other to lock the first in place.

Just though, there might also be a bit of tin with prongs to try and keep them together. You might have to wreck that by bending the prongs out of the way to undo them. In which case screw drivering the lock might be easier!

All the best

Keith
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P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

So... If I can remove the steering lock manually...?

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

If you can get it to unlock (either drilling it or serious abuse of and with a screw driver) then it becomes far easier to remove the top yoke.

All the best

Keith
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P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Ignition is dead, can't do more damage Laughing

I might give it the screwdriver treatment tonight and try to remove the lock, does it really mean the whole top yoke needs removing or loosening, I can get to the underside of the ignition as it stands.

Vincent · Banned Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Karma :

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

As above. If you are lucky the bolts are no longer tamper proof ones.

However I would doubt you can remove the lock from the top yoke with it in place and the steering lock on even with normal allen key bolts. Taking the top yoke off is normally the only way to do it and that is itself a pig to do with the lock locked.

All the best

Keith
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P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Fetch me a grinder.

Thing is I really CBA with doing the head bearings... I know it should be done, but the bike was religiously maintained by previous owner, so hope he has changed them to decent ones.

I need the bike for work, currently driving my mums pimp wagon and its terrible Laughing

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

Only way the grinder will help is if you destroy the top yoke with it.

All the best

Keith
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