MOT Certificate(s) - Pass and Fail. Both in my hand.

[anthony_r6]

Dropped the bike off for it's MOT on Saturday and went to pick it up tonight. I made sure they aligned the rear wheel and adjusted the rear brake light for me as these were issues I couldn't be bothered dealing with.

Anyway, I've just been to pick it up and the guy tells me it's passed, but with some advisories. Namely being the front suspension is slightly bent. They took it out for a test ride and deemed it okay and not to adversely effect the bike.

After a little bit of rustling about, trying to find the paperwork, he tears off three pieces of paper, which I didn't look at - just shoved them in my bag and set off home. I've just looked at them now, and I'm confused.

1. Is the Invoice for the work and for the MOT.
2. Is my "MOT Test Certificate"
3. Is my "Refusal of an MOT Test Certificate"

He explicitly told me it passed, and I appear to have the paperwork to prove it. So why do I have the failure too?

The only difference between the two sheets is the failure one has a "Reason for refusal" section, which says - "001 Rear reflector on motorcycle missing [1.4.1]. I was under the impression that the rear brake light casing was considered a reflector?

Has someone failed me the first time, and realised that I DO have the reflector and had to issue me a pass?

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The other advisories I've got are ;

1 Rear Mono-shock pivot worn but not excessive.
2 Front Roller brake test indicates slight fluctuation of brake effort
3 Rear Roller brake test indicates slight fluctuation of brake effort
4 Front suspension has slight stiffness in the movement of the suspension
5 Front suspension assembly is slightly bent
6 Front wheel alignment slightly misaligned.

Are any of these a real problem ?

Thanks!
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[P.]

They took your bike out for a test ride on an MOT....?

If they did that to mine I'd be rather pissed.

I'd sort the suspension and brakes firstly.

[Chris750]

I had the same thing happen with mine.

They MOT it, see what it fails on and issue a fail certificate as its effectively failed.
They then fix the issues, then retest and issue a pass certificate.
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[anthony_r6]

[moppy]

[Kickstart]

[anthony_r6]

[Kickstart]

[anthony_r6]

[biker58]

Was the MOT pass printed after the fail?
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[Kwaks]

Ok LISTEN..... You have been told more than once on this thread that the rear brake casing is NOT a reflector.


Stop bloody going on about the bloody brake casing, buy a reflector from the pound shop and stick it on your plate and ask take the bike back. Unless you have a pass certificate to hand the bike has failed.
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[anthony_r6]

[J.M.]

Could always get a MOT status check and MOT history check from the DVLA and see what it says?
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[Nb]

The tester used PRS he failed it but fixed the minor item within an hour and then instantly issues a pass certifcate but it also issues a fail to show the problem he fixed.
If they didn't do anything about your reflector then the tester is just keeping his stats up......
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[biker58]

[Burnside]

Same thing happened for my car - it failed on the wipers so mechanic replaced them then passed it. I got both fail and pass certificates with same time on them. 2nd MOT didn't cost me anything.

Was there definately a reflector there in the first place? He maybe failed it then stuck the reflector on to pass it.

Seems a bit daft to issue a failed certificate cos it took a matter of seconds to fix it - one reason might be that the garage has pass/fail stats to reach.

No point in shredding the failed cert, it will show up on the MOT history anyhow https://motinfo.direct.gov.uk/internet/jsp/ECSID-Internet-Status-Request.jsp
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[Kickstart]

[MarJay]

Ok,

Sit down, shut up and read this.

First off, you DO need a seperate reflector. The brake light cover is NOT a reflector.

Secondly the garage aren't trying to rip you off. Are you sure that they didn't stick a small circular reflector to the bottom of the numberplate? If they did, that would explain why they gave you a pass and a fail sheet.

Secondly a MOT centre is allowed to do a test ride if they don't have the brake efficiency equipment. I suspect they checked the brakes on the test ride.

Chill out and accept the pass certificate. If a new owner wants to check out the MOT history, he'll see the fail sheet online, so shredding it is probably not going to help you.

HTH.
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[Kickstart]

[boundy]

If im viewing a new bike or car I'll look at the MOT paperwork and see if the little box is checked, it advises if an advisory sheet has been issued, I'll then ask the seller what the adviseries are. If they haven't got the sheet I'll check on line and compare to what I've been told. If they lied to me or tried to cover up a fault that should of been sorted I'll walk away.

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[jimspeed]

Simple one this , the tester has actually done YOU a favour and failed it due to no reflector then stuck one on (at a guess) and passed it.
what he could have done is failed it and made you provide one and then maybe wait until he had time for a retest.

Both times I have taken my bikes for mot he has nipped off down the road on it (no lid or anything )
only to make sure the brakes work and it rides straight tho he says lol.
as long as you have the pass cert and all the details are right on it then don't worry about it.
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[MarJay]

[JP7]

You will find that many garages will issue a fail certificate, then a pass, rather than simply rectifying the faults and passing it.

VOSA monitor pass/fail rates, and any garage that passes too many will be investigated. So many will keep their figures up by failing them first.

It's nothing to worry about, you've got a pass certificate so you're sorted.

[mattsprattuk]

From what I've been told, VOSA question garages that have a very high pass rate. They probably failed your bike on what they could, then passed it straight afterwards to make them look more stringent.
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