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BikerGirlonGi...
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: CAT C Kwak 636? Reply with quote

Seen an 05 636 thats shit hot and only done 20k with full service history.

It is a CAT C, apparently cosmetic damage. It has obviously been repaired with new panels, looks brand new and rides as if its never been crashed. HPI check thingy says it happened in 2008.

Seller's asking £3000 for it. Seen a few older models going for around the same price so not sure if its a bad deal.

What do you think?
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask what the damage was, then inspect that area carefully, take fairing panels off if you have too. If it was fine I'd buy it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Ask what the damage was, then inspect that area carefully, take fairing panels off if you have too. If it was fine I'd buy it. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 15:33 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking I gave my 05 plate away to a mate as I would have thought I would only have got a couple grand for it, 3k seems a bit high to me.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwaks wrote:
Thinking I gave my 05 plate away to a mate as I would have thought I would only have got a couple grand for it, 3k seems a bit high to me.


Interesting, as I was wondering what mine would be worth if I decided to sell it (not that I would dare perform such a sacrilege!).

Anyway, I have noticed 2004 models going for around £2500, so I doubt £3000 is a high price. Although I must admit that I am pretty much clueless as to the impact the price would take if it was a CAT C. I can tell you this much that if the bike seems fine and it truly was [rectified] cosmetic damage I wouldn't be bothered and would buy it. But that's just me Wink

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PostPosted: 16:04 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

im selling a 636 b1h so its 2004 with less miles and has never being crashed i only want £2700 LMFAO also mines got a after market exhaust and a power cammander which you could sell for £150 easy as there £200 new. its also got metzler tires and a brand new 12 month MOT with a double bubble screen heres the link: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ZX636-600cc-ninja-extrasworth-400-zx-zx6r-zxr-600-/120857344537?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item1c23a8ba19

i will remove it for £2700 cash though thanks Smile
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CAT C and 20k on it???

Overpriced!!


Considering c1h/c6f'S were going for around 3k last year with LOW miles
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ash Mash wrote:
im selling a 636 b1h so its 2004 with less miles and has never being crashed i only want £2700 LMFAO also mines got a after market exhaust and a power cammander which you could sell for £150 easy as there £200 new. its also got metzler tires and a brand new 12 month MOT with a double bubble screen heres the link: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kawasaki-ZX636-600cc-ninja-extrasworth-400-zx-zx6r-zxr-600-/120857344537?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item1c23a8ba19

i will remove it for £2700 cash though thanks Smile


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PostPosted: 16:16 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

drzsta wrote:
CAT C and 20k on it???

Overpriced!!


Considering c1h/c6f'S were going for around 3k last year with LOW miles


Isn't it an average of 6000 miles a year? Being 7 years old that would have it at 42,000miles so it has 20,000miles less than it should. Not trying to contradict you but just making an observation about expected mileages. But I know jack all about the CAT C factor..so how much woudl you say is reasonible?
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way over priced IMO

Look at this one:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-Kawasaki-ZX6R-636cc-Green-/200708842865?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2ebb2de571

2006. 4800 miles and only 1 owner.

You would get that for £3250 all day long. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerGirlonGirl wrote:
drzsta wrote:
CAT C and 20k on it???

Overpriced!!


Considering c1h/c6f'S were going for around 3k last year with LOW miles


Isn't it an average of 6000 miles a year? Being 7 years old that would have it at 42,000miles so it has 20,000miles less than it should. Not trying to contradict you but just making an observation about expected mileages. But I know jack all about the CAT C factor..so how much woudl you say is reasonible?


20k isn't high mileage by any stretch. What he means is there are bikes to be had with a lot less for the same price.

Many sports bikes are used as summer toys and will do only a few k a year. It is not uncommon to see 10 year old sports bikes with 4 figure mileage. It doesn't mean that those with a decent amount of mileage are going to spontaneously combust though.

£3k doesn't seem quite cheap enough. I.e. this bike is newer, less miles and doesn't say it is a Cat C, it is £3500 (possibly cheap due to location):

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-Kawasaki-ZX6R-636cc-Green-/200708842865?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2ebb2de571#ht_499wt_1416.

There is no need to be overly put off by a Cat C but they do sell for less.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My comment was about the CAT C BTW, no idea if it is a good price or not.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My comment was about the CAT C BTW, no idea if it is a good price or not.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cat C means it was a write off, It will ALWAYS be a write off on the DVLA database.

Three GRAND for a write off?

No way!

Offer 1500 cash, to sober the seller up a bit, then look for a clean low mileage bike, you can get one hell of a lot of bike for THREE GRAND.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have three grand burning a hole in your pocket...

You could drop into a main dealer and see what deals they have on brand new bikes.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first bike is worth considerably more than £1500.

New sports bikes cost considerably more than £3000.


I have a strong suspicion that you are an idiot.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A 05, written off bike is not even worth 1500 quid.

It's scrap, really. The insurance company has already paid out for it.

And if the OP has a bike to trade in, (a fair assumption) she could almost certainly get a brand new bike at a HUGE discount.

Even if the bike was A 05 minter wouldn't be worth 3,000 pounds.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerGirlonGirl wrote:
drzsta wrote:
CAT C and 20k on it???

Overpriced!!


Considering c1h/c6f'S were going for around 3k last year with LOW miles


Isn't it an average of 6000 miles a year? Being 7 years old that would have it at 42,000miles so it has 20,000miles less than it should. Not trying to contradict you but just making an observation about expected mileages. But I know jack all about the CAT C factor..so how much woudl you say is reasonible?


I wouldn't of thought average for a bike was 6k/year. My '96 thunderace had done 20k in the first year, but only 52k up to now. Thats only 3.25k a year.

My '96 gs500e only had 9.5k miles, thats 860/year.

When ever I'm buying bikes, my perception has always been that 30k is high, what ever age the bike is.

Personally I would stay away from that bike, CAT D maybe, if it was a fair chunk cheaper, CAT C no way at that price
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an advert from piston heads selling a cat c, with 5,ooo less miles.

KAWASAKI ZX6R(636)15,000M,MOT,NEW REAR TYRE,CRASH BOBBINS,D/B SCREEN,SCORPIAN END CAN,NO DAMAGE,RUNS AND RIDES GREAT,BUT RECORDED AS A CAT C.HENCE PRICE.(07737842928)

He's asking £2,400 for it.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, this will help a lot.

The seller is asking £2999 for a Cat C 05 zx6r with 19,700miles, Yoshimura exhaust, R&G Crash bungs, tail tidy unit as well with FSH. But you have shown me some nice bikes for cheaper or that one with the 06 plate for £3500 Smile

To play devils advicate, if the bike looks and runs fine and is mechanichily sound its a bit of an arse that a black and white print on some worthless paper will drop the price a hell of a lot, no? I mean heaven forbid your bike gets written off as cat c and the damage was cosmetic and nothing else what a bastard it would be to sell because of some DVLA print stigma...

I dont know it just makes me wonder whats the point of it all if theres nothing wrong with the bike. But as they say "its a buyers market" so I will have plenty of fun exploiting this or buying a nice yello K4 gsxr...ooh gets me wet! Wink
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi BikerGirlonGirl

The problem is that the bike has been crashed.

You have no way of knowing what has happened to the bike, for example, has the engine been running while the bike was on its side, starving the bearings of oil? or is there cracks in the frame under the fairings, where you can't see them? could it be that the front end is from another bike, maybe a different model?

I have bought and sold dozens of written off cars, and believe me, you will need to be very VERY weary indeed when you buy a write off.

The general rule is that you should pay roughly HALF the going rate for a repaired Cat C vehicle. And expect to GET half the going rate when you come to sell.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerGirlonGirl wrote:
Thanks guys, this will help a lot.

The seller is asking £2999 for a Cat C 05 zx6r with 19,700miles, Yoshimura exhaust, R&G Crash bungs, tail tidy unit as well with FSH. But you have shown me some nice bikes for cheaper or that one with the 06 plate for £3500 Smile

To play devils advicate, if the bike looks and runs fine and is mechanichily sound its a bit of an arse that a black and white print on some worthless paper will drop the price a hell of a lot, no? I mean heaven forbid your bike gets written off as cat c and the damage was cosmetic and nothing else what a bastard it would be to sell because of some DVLA print stigma...

I dont know it just makes me wonder whats the point of it all if theres nothing wrong with the bike. But as they say "its a buyers market" so I will have plenty of fun exploiting this or buying a nice yello K4 gsxr...ooh gets me wet! Wink


I wouldn't even buy it if it wasn't a CAT C at that price. I've seen loads selling for £500 less than that, wil the same specs that aren't a CAT C.

Thing is the seller is waiting for people like yourself to come along, who think that it doesn't make any difference and part with the cash because they've fallen in love with it.

Bottom line is, accident damage vehicles can be a mine field, some are repaired using the cheapest parts available and can be repaired/ bodged to a very poor standard, but LOOK fine on the outside.

Others can be repaired using OEM parts etc by a dealer and actually be no different to another bike that hasn't been crashed.

The problem is, unless you do it yourself you can never know the extent of the damage and how many corners the person who repaired it has cut, so this is reflected in the price and if you find any nasty surprises you can repair the bike (usually) for what it would have cost you to buy a non accident damaged one.

A friend loves accident damaged bikes because most people won't touch them, but he used to repair them for a living so can tell pretty quickly to level of detail the bikes been repaired to, so he can pick up a perfectly good bike for a LOT less.

Personally, my opinion is there are plenty more bikes out there for better prices as has been shown above.

Go, have a look at the bike if you wish and if it looks okay, offer him £2k, walk away at anything more than about £2.2k. You'd be amazed at how much people will budge when the cash is waved in their face.

Please, for god sake listen to the advice people are giving you on here, and don't make a 'rash' purchase, because it sounds like buyers like this one will see you coming a mile off, and next we'll have a thread titled 'my new bikes going to cost me £1500 to repair', what do I do?'

My 2p's worth anyway.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 13 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://i39.tinypic.com/mb7ech.jpg

I will shamelessly plug my sisters B1H with 20k on the clock whilst we're on the subject.

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