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TheSmiler
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Third Directive Rules Reply with quote

Sure everybody that knows about it and are tired already of hearing about the third directive.

However just found this on the website of my local training center, thought id post it here encase anyone wants confirmation.
https://assets.dft.gov.uk/dsa/advisor/EU_third_directive_rules_for_moped_and_motorcycles_to_be_used_from_19_Jan_2013.pdf
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Access!

Wow that is actually bollocks. I'm so angry its unreal.

We are defo going to see biker numbers dwindle. Everyone I know did their test because they loved bikes, and wanted their dream bike, Even if they couldn't afford the bike itself, knowing you could get on one if the chance presented itself.

I for one wouldn't have gone through all that progressive access bullshit.

24 bloody years old! that's ridiculous. I think 21 direct access, and 2 year restriction from 17 is the perfect balance between freedom and general acceptable responsibility.

But this is actually ridiculous. I mean, the market is massively short of 400cc anyway, when you compare them to the 125s, 600s and 1000s. Why make a category just for that.

And beyond all the practical considerations, I can promise you this change is going to make it bloody expensive to get on two wheels.

The initial outlay is going to be horrendous with all the "progressive access" nonsense.

I'm 22 and I sure am glad I got in there before all of this crap.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one thing I think they should be doing they're not.

I think people should have to pass their theory before they can ride on the road.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So they will follow with a maximum 1100cc 900kg car limit for 17yo drivers then?

Total wankers.
The more that goes on in this country the more I want to move abroad.

I really need to get my act together before its too late to go
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
The more that goes on in this country the more I want to move abroad.



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EU third directive

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PostPosted: 19:01 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIRECTIVE

UK= fuck em hard

everywhere else = sensible rules
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for safety but isn't it ridiculous that you can die for your Country but not be considered grown-up enough to ride a motorcycle? Also, you can fly a plane solo at the age of 17 and fly a commercial aircraft such as a passenger airliner at the age of 18!

How can someone be allowed to sit in the pilot's seat of a Boeing 747 but be considered too young to ride a "big bike"?
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so glad I went through that crock of sh!t Module 1 and 2 test as soon as I could than do my (sensible) driving license first.

Might get my driving license out the way in the summer before it gets as ridiculous of this. (I am aware of the coming changes to that too) Sadly, not enough time with Uni.

Either way, thank fcuk my bike license is safe.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very glad I did my test before this round of changes (or the last ones, for that matter). I feel really sorry for any younger bike enthusiats who'll have to go through all this crap. Particularly so for 16 year olds, who will potentially see some of their peers in the same school/college year have immediate access to bigger bikes, while they'll be stuck on 125s for two years.

It's a shame to see they haven't allowed you to take the second test at 19, without spending 2 whole years on a 125 (or at least, passing the 125 test at 17 and waiting for 2 years). This would have at least alleviated one of the worst aspects of this regime - the enforced 2-year stay on a 125 if you're under 24 and wishing to ride a bigger bike. All this just means that if you're likely to need to use a motorway with a degree of regularity in your first 2 years (and are not at least a mild form of masochist), you can pretty much forget about biking as a practical means of transport until you're 24. A lack of similar restrictions for new car drivers will bring this disadvantage into even sharper relief.

My own case demonstrates why people might be put off. I did my CBT at 19, and passed my test at 20 as I wanted to ride something a bit larger than my RXS100. Under the new scheme, I'd have had to pass the 125 test at 20, spent 2 more years on a bike I'd outgrown, and only at 22 been able to graduate to something bigger. In reality, there's a strong chance I wouldn't have bothered, and would've continued riding on 'L' plates, ironically not recieving the professional training I took before the test. This particular situation wouldn't arise, however, if you could take the 46.6bhp test at 19.

Personally, I see this as one more reason to hope the EU explodes in a shower of its own brown smelly stuff, as speedily as possible.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
So they will follow with a maximum 1100cc 900kg car limit for 17yo drivers then?


i really think they should, you make a strong point + rep
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
DIRECTIVE

UK= fuck em hard

everywhere else = sensible rules


We're actually pretty lucky in having Mike 'the bike' Penning in the hot seat at the moment, I think it could have been worse. We're still keeping solo L riding, for example, and effectively allowing skipping the A1 test by giving access to A2 at 19. Completely buggers the point of the Directive, but hey ho, fight them on the beaches.

Anyway, the usual rants: the full implementation should (according to the Directive itself) have been published 13 months ago, the DfT shouldn't still be "looking into" a training upgrade route.

And I really hope they drop the "not exceeding 35kW" limit on A2 test bikes, that'll screw over training schools if they have to run fleets of both A2 and A bikes rather than just using A bikes for A2.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
A2 - Motorcycle without sidecar with:....

(Progressive Access) must have held an A1 licence for a minimum of two years: take either a practical test or *training option

Or must hold a valid CBT and theory test certificate and take practical test.


If i've read this correctly at 19 with just a CBT and completing a theory test I can do the A2 test without doing my A1 test meaning I would be restricted for two years to 35Kw.

To be honest if this is the case it isn't to bad for people my age as I would be restricted to 46bhp instead of the 33bhp I would be restricted to if I were to take my test today. I would then possibily just need to do a refresher 'training course' after my two years to gain my full A licence instead of automatically gaining this.

It also sounds like the test is just one part now which is also a bonus.

However if you are 17 this is a ball ache and I can't see many people actually doing the A1 when you can ride on a CBT for two years and then do your A2.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
We're still keeping solo L riding, for example, and effectively allowing skipping the A1 test by giving access to A2 at 19. Completely buggers the point of the Directive, but hey ho, fight them on the beaches.


The document linked to by the OP says:
Quote:

(Progressive Access) must have held
an A1 licence for a minimum of two
years: take either a practical test or
*training option

Or must hold a valid CBT and theory
test certificate and take practical test.


This implies that they still haven't decided whether or not there'll be direct access to A2 at 19. Admittedly when I wrote my first post I was too busy spitting blood to spot the 'or...' sentence Doh!. Fingers crossed things turn out not quite so badly, then.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 19 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
DIRECTIVE

UK= fuck em hard

everywhere else = sensible rules


Here in the Isle of Man there is only one bike test, no Mod1 / Mod2 and no Direct Access.
A 17yr old with a CBT and Theory Test can take the bike test and if successful go out and buy a full power Fireblade, there is no 2yr power restriction here. The only 'restriction' is that for the first year after passing the test you have to display a red 'R' plate and limit your speed to 50mph, a 'restriction' that is virtually unpoliceable.
You can also hold a full car licence here at 16.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 20 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following a study by the Institute of Advanced Motorists, there is a strong argument in favour of 11 year olds being taught driving skills -
see BBC News Clip but this only seems to be aimed at car drivers.

My two daughters (aged 12 and 14) have been on the Young Driver scheme for 18 months now, and are making excellent progress.

Does anyone think this could or should be extended to motorcycles?
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