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PostPosted: 12:18 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Why don't gear manufacturers branch out? Reply with quote

What I mean is why don't Arai make leathers and Alpinestar make helmets etc...?

Surely as a company there is profit to be made and the label would sell the gear, people have faith in a brand.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Why don't gear manufacturers branch out? Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
What I mean is why don't Arai make leathers and Alpinestar make helmets etc...?

Surely as a company there is profit to be made and the label would sell the gear, people have faith in a brand.


Probably for the same reason Dyson dont make TV's and Yamaha dont make piano.... no scrap that thought train there!

Its a specialist market us motorcyclists and it is a case of the right tools for the right jobs. As it stands it seems to be a balance that has been created. The market for the helmets and the ones for the clothing. Expanding one would involve more man power, more money and more time in a market that is already a minority. The effect would probably see major factories struggle or even close, especially in todays economic climate.

TL:DR verson: There is no room to expand the market as the major players are already controling it.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Alpinestar started making helmets, I wouldn't have that much confidence in them because of the lack of experience, whereas Arai have been in the business for 80 years. They've made mistakes, learnt from them, and moved on. Alpinestar would still be in the making mistakes stage.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Suspect they don't want to take the risk. For example Arai have a very good reputation for helmets, but engineering wise / sourcing materials wise / manufacturing skills wise know next to nothing about designing leathers than work well. That leaves them with either a load of research and investment to try and get the knowledge they need (expensive), or farming out manufacturing to some 3rd party. Both run the risk of dragging the name that they have worked hard to build up through the mud.

That said, it does happen. There are now Dainese branded helmets.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:50 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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There are now Dainese branded helmets.

All the best

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Made by Dianese or someone else? And if so, Who?
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Why don't gear manufacturers branch out? Reply with quote

https://is01.thegumtree.com/image/big/107658617.jpg

Quite a lot around, but most seem to be 80s, though this set actually looks a bit newer?
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Made by Dianese or someone else? And if so, Who?


Not sure, although I have always assumed that they have just subcontracted out their manufacturing.

Also, one thing that may be a factor with Arai is how big a company they really are. While they are well known and respected I am not sure that they are actually that big a company. And from memory they did financially fail around 20 years ago.

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PostPosted: 20:52 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Why don't gear manufacturers branch out? Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Yamaha dont make piano


https://www.reidys.com/images/products.large/yamaha_psre323.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Re: Why don't gear manufacturers branch out? Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Yamaha dont make piano.... no scrap that thought train there!


Donny beat me to it, but mine's an actual piano:

https://data.yamaha.jp/sdb/series/image/others/p/premium_pianos_17482/EAB8E40E3FB545FC9811A894FD62DEAE_12086.jpg

OP, they already do move into other markets (such as non-protective clothing). However, safety products require a lot of R&D and a bad product could damage the whole brand's image so it's better to go into secondary markets (eg alpine stars street wear) rather than a second primary market (eg alpine stars helmets). Bound to happen sometime though and I expect alpine stars will lead the way.

https://www.alpinestars.com/shop/categories/men/sales/
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 29 Feb 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:43 - 01 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
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PostPosted: 01:35 - 01 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

...also made car engines for ford pumas too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Puma
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 01 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilldic_mossy wrote:
...also made car engines for ford pumas too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Puma


From memory, those engines were shipped to Japan for some work on the block (plating the bores I think) and then back to Europe to be built up. Always seemed like a hell of a lot of effort.

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PostPosted: 07:33 - 01 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

...because if I wore an alpinestars helmet, chances are, I'd be dead by now!

It's all about heritage, technical development, strengths and accolades. Shoei was originally a hat maker!

God yamaha making instruments and bikes, nice! Imagine Fender making cruiser for example! I know some americans would cream their pants at that thought!
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 01 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
lilldic_mossy wrote:
...also made car engines for ford pumas too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Puma


From memory, those engines were shipped to Japan for some work on the block (plating the bores I think) and then back to Europe to be built up. Always seemed like a hell of a lot of effort.

All the best

Keith


Something to do with ford having shit loads of yamaha engines, didnt know what to do with them and decided to build the puma for them... well thats what the rumour was on puma people when i had the 1.7...i think. the other engine size pumas had fords own make...
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 01 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

More simply, they don't have facility to make them atm? or port forio thing. So it will be OEM if they really want to, but it won't make much money. I know Porsche brand bicycle, I think it's not that Porsche wanted to make a bicycle, but some bicycle maker wanted to make Porsche branded bike, and paid money to Porsche(maybe wrong example???). Nissan sells OEM K cars just to have full line-up.
Arai doesn't have to have leather to sell helmet well but Nissan need to have OEM K car to sell Tida. ???
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