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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: I followed a police car at high speed the other day Reply with quote

Just a bit of a "what if?".

I was whanging along a local B-road and came up behind a car travelling at speed (it was a pretty sporty German estate car and he was doing in the region of 90mph). It had a dayglo cardboard sign taped up in the back window.

I assumed it was advertising an agricultural show or similar but JUST as I was about to put the big sarcastic pass on him I noticed it said "Police training" and a closer look revealed a double rear-view mirror and two front seat occupants.

"Hmm. Best not put the pass-on.", thinks I. But he's (hopefully) already seen me gaining on him like a total cunt doing easily 20mph faster (complete with headlights on and dayglo vest) along that last straight so there's no point backing off... Let's see if I can learn anything.

I learned that whoever was driving had better have just STARTED their course because they were shit. Their driving was erratic and pretty incompetant. The person in control had no right to be driving at the speed they were and I found myself dropping back in case they binned it in front of me.

I kept a reasonable distance but I could tell they'd clocked me behind them and were trying to shake me. Hopefully I gave them something to watch in their mirrors and the instructor capitalised on it but I suspect they just spent the whole time tutting about how reckless my riding was and trying to lose me by gunning it down the straights.

In all honesty, I felt like pulling them over myself and giving them the benefit of my oppinions because god knows, the driver could have used some tips about road positioning, comfort braking and getting back on the power sooner.

The big question however is what would I have done if they'd pulled me over? I suspect I'd have gone straight in on the offensive, stating that they could clearly see I was following them so the responsible thing to do would have been to back-off and pull over, not floor it on the straights (which is what they actually did). I trolled along with this by having downshifted way before they sank the pedal and kept up a constant gap between me and them.

I enjoyed myself in any case and I HOPE the trainee got something out of it (ie. bikes are faster than you can even comprehend and pay attention to your mirrors). My excuse for doing that speed is the same as the excuse the trainee traffic copper has for doing double the speed limit in an unmarked car on public roads when he has no real idea how to drive at those speeds. I on the other hand have years of experience of riding like a total twat to fall back on.
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PostPosted: 01:55 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helloooo, it's a Police car! Very Happy Noone should be following it above the limit!

They have a legal exemption... you don't!

Very risky game to play!

Reminds me of a Traffic Cops when the woman overtook the Police car so her kid could give the copper a wave... duh... 3 points & £60 IIRC!
Edit; Actually I think it transpired she didn't have a valid licence... double fail.


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PostPosted: 02:01 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pendulum wrote:
Helloooo, it's a Police car! Very Happy Noone should be following it above the limit!

They have a legal exemption... you don't!

Very risky game to play!

Reminds me of a Traffic Cops when the woman overtook the Police car so her kid could give the copper a wave... duh... 3 points & £60 IIRC!




they have no right unless with blues and twos/sirens on and attending an emergency, other then that they should by the law, also be prosecuted.
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a mistake to think that... they just have to be on justifiable police business to speed... no requirement for blues and two's to be on, or to be attending an emergency.
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PostPosted: 02:07 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pendulum wrote:
Helloooo, it's a Police car! Very Happy Noone should be following it above the limit!

They have a legal exemption... you don't!

Very risky game to play!

Reminds me of a Traffic Cops when the woman overtook the Police car so her kid could give the copper a wave... duh... 3 points & £60 IIRC!


Don't they have a legal exemption only when responding to a call with blues lit up??

I thought I read somewhere (possibly a newspaper letters column, can't comment on the reliability of the source) that some police cars, due to the level of training of the driver, cannot infact even utilise the siren, let alone speed or treat red lights as a give-way, they can merely use the blue lights to get traffic to move out the way.

Sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
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PostPosted: 02:11 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pendulum wrote:
Helloooo, it's a Police car! Very Happy Noone should be following it above the limit!


It was a normal car with an A4 cardboard sign propped in the back window. No fixed markings, no blue retroreflective markings (or indeed retroreflective of any colour). No battenberg paint and no flashy lights.

Don't know if they were in uniform because I was observant enough not to overtake them and show my registration on the video camera they usually carry.
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PostPosted: 02:14 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

It was a normal car with an A4 cardboard sign propped in the back window. No fixed markings, no blue retroreflective markings (or indeed retroreflective of any colour). No battenberg paint and no flashy lights.

Then it was an unmarked Police car!...
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PostPosted: 02:19 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: I followed a police car at high speed the other day Reply with quote

junglejim wrote:

There are some bloody fast cars out there.

But remarkably few people who know how to drive them.

The car inquestion could (should?) have pissed all over me. It was a very powerful german estate car, probably with full-on traction control and was on a very windy road. Certainly massively in excess of what a T5 is capable of in terms of performance. There is no way I had more grip OR power than he did. He just had no idea what to do with it. I could have passed him at nearly any point the way he was driving.

I shpuld point out there have been several; fairly high-profile police training crashes locally to me recently. Most of them where someone entirely failed to brake for a corner.
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PostPosted: 03:31 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Re: I followed a police car at high speed the other day Reply with quote

junglejim wrote:

The car ?
A Volvo T5 and just to add insult to injury, it was an estate.


They are bloody deceptively quick. I don't know if or by how much the police have them tweaked... but going from a 30 to 70 in Leeds I gave it as much right boot as I could in my old car, the police car behind kept up with me right to 65 when I lifted enough not to break the speed limit. Then he blitzed past me as he obviously had a lot left in reserve.

The car I was driving... a tuned VW Corrado VR6 which kept up with most things I'd ever had fun with.

And those pesky T5s always show up at the wrong time too, just when you wanna have some fun Laughing

junglejim wrote:
I rode with a class one Police rider many years ago, and he was an absolute joy to watch.


I know a police driving instructor, and they really are something else.

I have driven at what I consider very high speeds (ones that getting caught on a uk road would see me in jail), on an unrestricted autobahn in germany, and at those speeds I was having to concentrate so hard it was physically and mentally exhausting.

Speeds higher than this and the instructor I know could quite happily hold a conversation, listen to the radio, sing along to music and drive as if he was out for a nice easy drive in the country on a nice sunday afternoon, all at the same time. Like he could zone out absolutely everything unessential, then let different things in as he pleased, such as music and conversation. He literally is a driving god.

I needed absolute silence so it wouldn't break my concentration. He could probably have had screaming kids in the back to add to it and wouldn't have even noticed them.
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PostPosted: 06:27 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apples and oranges - TT riders are supposed to be at or near the limit, and people flock there to watch them do it - or try, and fail.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

junglejim wrote:
Pete. wrote:
Apples and oranges - TT riders are supposed to be at or near the limit, and people flock there to watch them do it - or try, and fail.


And Police officers are supposed to catch criminals, which means pushing the limits on the road.
You may condemn it when someone gets hurt or killed, but I bet you'd be the first to moan if they decided to travel at 30mph while you were being mugged.


I'm sorry but that's utter shite. If your son/daughter was killed by a speeding copper you would say, 'Oh that's ok, he was responding to a crime', would you bollocks.

If said son/daughters goes to watch the TT. They are going knowing the risks to themselves.

You cannot begin to compare the two.
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Dad once had the police tell him to follow them.

My uncle was lost somewhere and they were obviously bored, so they told him to follow with my aunty in his car. They were doing ridiculous speeds like 120mph etc. My Dad was in his M3 so they were obviously trying to leave him behind, but they just couldn't shake him.

I think it was one of his favourite moments of his life, ha.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loads of police traning goes on around here, Albeit in plain white ford focus estates.

Never actually overtaken one though, Always 4 or 5 up in full uniform.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work within a 5 minute walk of a police station and so regularly seem to be following them around town. Things I always notice is that they never use their indicators and they fail to do basic vehicle checks because they always seem to have one brake light out.

I also swear that around town the police are nowhere near as fast as they were back in the 80's. I remember them power-sliding an SD1 around a local roundabout with all their lights on which looked super cool now you just see some wallowy Skoda Octavia struggling for grip and wobble off down the road- only fast on the straights.

In my youth I was involved in a car chase, hanging around with some interesting folks as you do. I was amazed how stupid the police were. I was with a friend (also my landlord) who was wanted with the Police and they spotted us as we cruised down the road in a Sierra 2.0gls, Big bore 4 burbling away and they quickly jumped in their Pug 406 in hot persuit! I was shiteing myself to be honest but my mate put his foot down to lose them in the back streets. After a couple of lefts and rights he pulled over and very quickly and tidily parked up in a row of parked cars and shouted at me to duck as we watched the police car fly by. Made us feel awesome that day! It was like something out of the movies. Had to get rid of that car soon after though as it was well marked, everytime anybody went out in it was guaranteed a tug and a going over but they could never get me on anything. My mate however got 12 months...
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming back from a recent late night at work, I jumped in a cab at the train station and we were soon off heading towards my part of town. It was 1am and we were driving along, probably doing 35 round this long, blind, right hander when another cab appears from round the bend on the other side of the road coming towards us...

....being overtaken by a marked Octavia with lights but no siren doing about 60....

Cue emergency stop by both cabs. The Octavia made it through the gap with a fag paper space between both taxis. I was pretty happy that the cabbies were switched on that night.
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned to drive by stealing an MGB in my early teens (lived/slept in it for two weeks). I was seen trying to break into a gunshop and sped away from the two coppers who crept up on me in the car as I was getting more tools and told me to get out (2am-ish). A few miles down the road I hurtled past a police Allegro which took up the chase, a couple of miles later I saw him give up on a flyover we'd just crossed. About a mile after that I lost it into a ditch, but I still got away from a cop-car with only two weeks of driving to my name (yeah, MGB vs Allegro panda-car, but still... Laughing ).

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PostPosted: 09:59 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

firefox wrote:

they have no right unless with blues and twos/sirens on and attending an emergency, other then that they should by the law, also be prosecuted.


Really? Who told you that?

Ever heard of silent approach? Rolling Eyes

And Police and emergency service driving schools are exempt from speed limits.

All Police driving schools will observe posted limits, namely 30, 40 and 50's, but national limits are not nicknamed GLF's for no reason.

The driving school car mentioned by the OP may well have just started on the course as the 1st week is spent knocking the crap out of them and then start building them up over the following 3 weeks, or it may well have been a standard course to drive Panda cars where a lower standard is required anyway compared to the advanced course.

And on the subject of indicators, don't even go there given that 99% of drivers give the wrong signal at the wrong time in the wrong place and give it as a signal of achievement rather than intent, and so in some cases it is actually better not to give a signal.

But then all the driving and riding experts on this board know that anyway, don't they? Wink
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a statutory exemption from road traffic laws? If so, which ones? Confused

The closest I've ever come to being killed on the roads was by a panda that was approaching a roundabout slowly in a left turn only lane, indicating left, no lights or siren, which then proceeded to boot it straight through the roundabout, still merrily indicating left. Only my cat-like reflexes and - genuine and instantly justified - distrust of plod drivers stopped me going over their bonnet.

I accept that the best drivers and riders will tend to bubble towards the top of the police training hierarchy, but far too many of them - particularly traffic - are (IMO and IME) just lardy angry slapheads sporting regulation stupid moustaches, a chip on one shoulder and a wholly unjustified god complex on the other.

The copper couple round the corner are a prime example. Really decent folks, doubtless excellent coppers, but he's taken two of his own Subarus on unplanned off-road jaunts, and she's riding a pushbike on duty because of stacking too many work vans. You think they'd learn, but he's on his 3rd Subaru, and she drives a Golf VR6.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Ever heard of silent approach? Rolling Eyes

And Police and emergency service driving schools are exempt from speed limits.


Wish they would use the silent option when flying past my flat in town... 2 seconds from the piggy bank. Rolling Eyes

Why are they exempt, silent approach should still display some warning signs... lights or something surely?!
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 02 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Is there a statutory exemption from road traffic laws? If so, which ones? Confused


Speed one is here:-

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/27/section/87

Basically they can ignore speed limits when on police business and when keeping to them could hinder those duties. Which is pretty wide ranging.

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