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 stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist

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 Posted: 01:49 - 02 Mar 2012 Post subject: I followed a police car at high speed the other day |
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Just a bit of a "what if?".
I was whanging along a local B-road and came up behind a car travelling at speed (it was a pretty sporty German estate car and he was doing in the region of 90mph). It had a dayglo cardboard sign taped up in the back window.
I assumed it was advertising an agricultural show or similar but JUST as I was about to put the big sarcastic pass on him I noticed it said "Police training" and a closer look revealed a double rear-view mirror and two front seat occupants.
"Hmm. Best not put the pass-on.", thinks I. But he's (hopefully) already seen me gaining on him like a total cunt doing easily 20mph faster (complete with headlights on and dayglo vest) along that last straight so there's no point backing off... Let's see if I can learn anything.
I learned that whoever was driving had better have just STARTED their course because they were shit. Their driving was erratic and pretty incompetant. The person in control had no right to be driving at the speed they were and I found myself dropping back in case they binned it in front of me.
I kept a reasonable distance but I could tell they'd clocked me behind them and were trying to shake me. Hopefully I gave them something to watch in their mirrors and the instructor capitalised on it but I suspect they just spent the whole time tutting about how reckless my riding was and trying to lose me by gunning it down the straights.
In all honesty, I felt like pulling them over myself and giving them the benefit of my oppinions because god knows, the driver could have used some tips about road positioning, comfort braking and getting back on the power sooner.
The big question however is what would I have done if they'd pulled me over? I suspect I'd have gone straight in on the offensive, stating that they could clearly see I was following them so the responsible thing to do would have been to back-off and pull over, not floor it on the straights (which is what they actually did). I trolled along with this by having downshifted way before they sank the pedal and kept up a constant gap between me and them.
I enjoyed myself in any case and I HOPE the trainee got something out of it (ie. bikes are faster than you can even comprehend and pay attention to your mirrors). My excuse for doing that speed is the same as the excuse the trainee traffic copper has for doing double the speed limit in an unmarked car on public roads when he has no real idea how to drive at those speeds. I on the other hand have years of experience of riding like a total twat to fall back on. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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 Posted: 01:55 - 02 Mar 2012 Post subject: |
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Helloooo, it's a Police car! Noone should be following it above the limit!
They have a legal exemption... you don't!
Very risky game to play!
Reminds me of a Traffic Cops when the woman overtook the Police car so her kid could give the copper a wave... duh... 3 points & £60 IIRC!
Edit; Actually I think it transpired she didn't have a valid licence... double fail.
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| pendulum wrote: | Helloooo, it's a Police car!  Noone should be following it above the limit!
They have a legal exemption... you don't!
Very risky game to play!
Reminds me of a Traffic Cops when the woman overtook the Police car so her kid could give the copper a wave... duh... 3 points & £60 IIRC! |
they have no right unless with blues and twos/sirens on and attending an emergency, other then that they should by the law, also be prosecuted. ____________________ bye bye gti <^>( ' . ' )<^>
*officer* what caused the crash ? *firefox* you see that wall up there sir ?
*officer* yes what about it *firefox* i tooted my horn but it refused to move i had to teach it a lesson. |
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| pendulum wrote: | Helloooo, it's a Police car!  Noone should be following it above the limit!
They have a legal exemption... you don't!
Very risky game to play!
Reminds me of a Traffic Cops when the woman overtook the Police car so her kid could give the copper a wave... duh... 3 points & £60 IIRC! |
Don't they have a legal exemption only when responding to a call with blues lit up??
I thought I read somewhere (possibly a newspaper letters column, can't comment on the reliability of the source) that some police cars, due to the level of training of the driver, cannot infact even utilise the siren, let alone speed or treat red lights as a give-way, they can merely use the blue lights to get traffic to move out the way.
Sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. |
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 Posted: 02:38 - 02 Mar 2012 Post subject: Re: I followed a police car at high speed the other day |
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| stinkwheel wrote: | But remarkably few people who know how to drive them.. |
To be fair, the same can be said of a lot of riders, who think that having the latest rice rocket, with knee sliders and race tema leathers, makes them fast by default.
I have a bike that shouldn't get anywhere near them, but I do regularly.
I could easily convince myself that it's because I'm an exceptional rider, but I am not.
I just accept that there a lot of people out there on sports bikes who'd be hard pushed to find the limits of a Puch Maxi, let alone an R1.
| stinkwheel wrote: | I shpuld point out there have been several; fairly high-profile police training crashes locally to me recently. Most of them where someone entirely failed to brake for a corner. |
Would be interested to know if these invlolved traffic unit cars, or ordinary patrol vehicles.
In the case of the latter, they are just ordinary drivers who are not trained in the same way a class one driver is.
I rode with a class one Police rider many years ago, and he was an absolute joy to watch. |
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 Posted: 03:31 - 02 Mar 2012 Post subject: Re: I followed a police car at high speed the other day |
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| junglejim wrote: |
The car ?
A Volvo T5 and just to add insult to injury, it was an estate. |
They are bloody deceptively quick. I don't know if or by how much the police have them tweaked... but going from a 30 to 70 in Leeds I gave it as much right boot as I could in my old car, the police car behind kept up with me right to 65 when I lifted enough not to break the speed limit. Then he blitzed past me as he obviously had a lot left in reserve.
The car I was driving... a tuned VW Corrado VR6 which kept up with most things I'd ever had fun with.
And those pesky T5s always show up at the wrong time too, just when you wanna have some fun
| junglejim wrote: | I rode with a class one Police rider many years ago, and he was an absolute joy to watch. |
I know a police driving instructor, and they really are something else.
I have driven at what I consider very high speeds (ones that getting caught on a uk road would see me in jail), on an unrestricted autobahn in germany, and at those speeds I was having to concentrate so hard it was physically and mentally exhausting.
Speeds higher than this and the instructor I know could quite happily hold a conversation, listen to the radio, sing along to music and drive as if he was out for a nice easy drive in the country on a nice sunday afternoon, all at the same time. Like he could zone out absolutely everything unessential, then let different things in as he pleased, such as music and conversation. He literally is a driving god.
I needed absolute silence so it wouldn't break my concentration. He could probably have had screaming kids in the back to add to it and wouldn't have even noticed them. |
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Apples and oranges - TT riders are supposed to be at or near the limit, and people flock there to watch them do it - or try, and fail. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Coming back from a recent late night at work, I jumped in a cab at the train station and we were soon off heading towards my part of town. It was 1am and we were driving along, probably doing 35 round this long, blind, right hander when another cab appears from round the bend on the other side of the road coming towards us...
....being overtaken by a marked Octavia with lights but no siren doing about 60....
Cue emergency stop by both cabs. The Octavia made it through the gap with a fag paper space between both taxis. I was pretty happy that the cabbies were switched on that night. ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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I learned to drive by stealing an MGB in my early teens (lived/slept in it for two weeks). I was seen trying to break into a gunshop and sped away from the two coppers who crept up on me in the car as I was getting more tools and told me to get out (2am-ish). A few miles down the road I hurtled past a police Allegro which took up the chase, a couple of miles later I saw him give up on a flyover we'd just crossed. About a mile after that I lost it into a ditch, but I still got away from a cop-car with only two weeks of driving to my name (yeah, MGB vs Allegro panda-car, but still... ).
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| firefox wrote: |
they have no right unless with blues and twos/sirens on and attending an emergency, other then that they should by the law, also be prosecuted. |
Really? Who told you that?
Ever heard of silent approach?
And Police and emergency service driving schools are exempt from speed limits.
All Police driving schools will observe posted limits, namely 30, 40 and 50's, but national limits are not nicknamed GLF's for no reason.
The driving school car mentioned by the OP may well have just started on the course as the 1st week is spent knocking the crap out of them and then start building them up over the following 3 weeks, or it may well have been a standard course to drive Panda cars where a lower standard is required anyway compared to the advanced course.
And on the subject of indicators, don't even go there given that 99% of drivers give the wrong signal at the wrong time in the wrong place and give it as a signal of achievement rather than intent, and so in some cases it is actually better not to give a signal.
But then all the driving and riding experts on this board know that anyway, don't they?  ____________________ It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world, than 30 years early in the next |
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Is there a statutory exemption from road traffic laws? If so, which ones?
The closest I've ever come to being killed on the roads was by a panda that was approaching a roundabout slowly in a left turn only lane, indicating left, no lights or siren, which then proceeded to boot it straight through the roundabout, still merrily indicating left. Only my cat-like reflexes and - genuine and instantly justified - distrust of plod drivers stopped me going over their bonnet.
I accept that the best drivers and riders will tend to bubble towards the top of the police training hierarchy, but far too many of them - particularly traffic - are (IMO and IME) just lardy angry slapheads sporting regulation stupid moustaches, a chip on one shoulder and a wholly unjustified god complex on the other.
The copper couple round the corner are a prime example. Really decent folks, doubtless excellent coppers, but he's taken two of his own Subarus on unplanned off-road jaunts, and she's riding a pushbike on duty because of stacking too many work vans. You think they'd learn, but he's on his 3rd Subaru, and she drives a Golf VR6. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 303 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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