Corner and Gear Selection

Lupine Lacuna · Scooby Slapper Joined: 02 Jan 2011 Karma :

I scared myself carrying too much heat into a corner; Because I was in a higher gear than I am used to, I had no engine braking. And engine breaking I like. Can I assume that, always, if you have that scary roll on, you're in too high a gear to:

1. accelerate out efficiently
2. maintain proper traction
3. have greater control

Separately, why do motorbikes brake so much when you are in a lower gear at speed - I have not experienced this in a car

Dean-J · Crazy Courier Joined: 30 Oct 2011 Karma :

Have you ever driven a car you moronic arsewipe? Because guess what, they fucking do it too!

Stop reposting shite you have read on the internet and pretending its your own opinion. we can see through you a mile off by now.

And how the fuck you carried too much "heat" into a corner is beyond me on your little island of retards, with your 40mph speed limit...

Dean-J · Crazy Courier Joined: 30 Oct 2011 Karma :

Unless of course you were on your naked bike, which obviously is just as fast as a modern day sports bike eh.... Rolling Eyes

snikks · Spanner Monkey Joined: 15 Jan 2011 Karma :

P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

All your roads are slow, meaning your corners are about as fun as sitting on a cactus.
Just keep it in 2nd round your whole island and maintain some throttle.

Too much heat into a corner...Oh, how we laughed

Alpha-9 · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Jan 2012 Karma :

Engine braking round a corner is one way to lose traction easily Thumbs Up

Personally I try to avoid using brakes or anything going round a corner, if you need to slow down ease off the throttle, then power out when you're facing the right way

It's not that complicated

Some pre-thought and you should be at the right speed before you begin the turning manuevre, it couldnt be IM TURNING OH GOD TOO FAST DUMP THE GEARS AND BRAKE SWEET JESUS
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Sako · World Chat Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2012 Karma :

I love this guy's post's, but still think he's not for real...it's not possible!

G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

First off, it should never be scary because you're in too high a gear - I would suggest this is your lack of confidence mixed with a slightly different circumstance.

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

duhawkz · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Karma :

Lupine Lacuna · Scooby Slapper Joined: 02 Jan 2011 Karma :

What I meant was pre corner. I am used to being in low gears revving high and then coming off or sloowing the throttle and the bike slowing considerably, but there are two issues here:

1. there one big long straight, which are dangerous in themselves as I am not at a stage where I can 'feel speed', I find I lose all sense of how fast I am going quite quickly, until I try and slow down and it doesn't seem to be working.... Smile

Its also odd how much slower a road feels when it has a good surface than when it is sketchy.

2. I did this coming down from 4th and when coming off the thorttle I was thinking, christ, the bike isnt slowing (like it normally does)

Seperately, I have tiny hands and I think I need to get my breaking lever nearer the bar to make breaking easier.

G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

You have brakes for a reason; learn to use them.

Engine braking is nice to play about with getting it sideways with a touch of rear brake, but certainly shouldn't be relied upon, whatever the police might say.

MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

Thank you Mr "I've been riding three months and never gone above 40mph on my Bandit" for giving us old timers pointers on how to ride.

My twelve years of experience on bikes and ownership of 20+ different machines in that time wouldn't have prepared me for the lesson that you've given me. I humbly bow to your superior knowledge.

Oh, and this telegram just arrived for you:

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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

P.addy · Red Rocket Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Karma :

Lupine, just for you... and to give my stuff a decent use, I'll record some of our "boring" roads for you at the weekend.

You'll soon see you need to come visit the UK (Don't...but you'll want to)

I'm far from a good rider but I'm pretty sure I can corner Laughing

kestrel · Nearly there... Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Karma :

janner_10 · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 Sep 2011 Karma :

Poor bloke, although perversely i look forward to his posts just for the chuckle.
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Paulington · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Mar 2009 Karma :

From my RoSPA/IAM training:

Gears are to GO, brakes are to SLOW.

Use your brakes to slow down. Only use engine braking when it is efficient to do so, I mainly use it for roundabouts and going down hills. Remember, when you are using engine braking to slow down the cars behind you have no brake light to tell them that you are braking so those that aren't paying much attention (Read: almost all of them) are much likely to rear end you.

Second bit of advice:

IPSGA

I- Information
P- Position
S- Speed
G- Gear
A- Accelerate

If you run through that in your head whilst you are approaching junctions/hazards/every few seconds on the road then you will find that you find yourself driving much smoother, being much more prepared and not having to make any sudden moves/being surprised a lot less and generally being a better driver.

I also find it makes me drive/ride a lot slower too, this is partly because it's just as fast when you pay a lot of attention and because the kind of attention you need to pay to be overly safe on the road that my advanced driving has drilled into me actually requires a lot of conscious effort and needing to be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear tends to slow you down.

You can't really generalize such that 'motorbikes have more engine braking than cars' as it depends on so many factors such as weight, engine displacement, gear, compression ratio and a whole lot more. Get in a car doing 30mph, put it into first and let the clutch out. You'll feel the engine braking.

If you scared yourself by carrying excess speed into a corner, then chances are you weren't paying adequate attention to the road/your driving because if you were you'd have started braking long before the moment that if your brakes didn't work, you were buggered and if you were paying attention and the engine braking wasn't as strong as you thought you'd have slammed on the anchors.

Maybe take some training? RoSPA is free after you've joined a local group (apart from maybe covering the tutor's fuel fees) for all the training and only £45 for the test if you wish to take it. If you do so, you'll find that you get surprised on the road a whole let less.

Cheers!
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bLiXeY · Scooby Slapper Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Karma :

Lupine, is it like 'The Wicker Man', on your island?

(The original of course, not the remake.)

edb · Nova Slayer Joined: 16 Oct 2011 Karma :

Everything paulington said times a million. Except the 1st gear business maybe Confused

Old Git Racing · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Aug 2009 Karma :

Engine braking into a corner is important, even if you are using the brakes, ever hit a false neutral? If you are in a higher gear than you thought or a lower one for that matter then you will go in at the wrong speed , panic, and hit the brakes or lose the back most likely. Bet there's a few on here done that.

The difference between bikes and cars is the weight and momentum caused by it, less weight = more effect in terms of engine braking so you are bound to notice it more on a bike.

To the o.p. It happens, we all make mistakes, even the heroes on here replying to your question. The secret is to learn from it and put the experience to use next time it happens, to get a bit more feel for it cos thats what riding a bikes all about, feel. Until it comes naturally you have to concentrate a bit and accept you will f*ck it up occasionally. Just don't be going too hard when that happens or you'll be joining the spill counter.

As for training, yeah do some if it appeals but when it comes right down to it, it's down to you. I know people who have done IAM after been riding bikes for 2-3 years and are now observing and telling people what they do wrong. Joke. Crying or Very sad

Keep trying, get the experience, stay alive.

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duhawkz · World Chat Champion Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Karma :

Here's a download link for the twist of the wrist dvd

https://torrentz.eu/314d4c7c07d0a7edc0f81fedfc8e6ea6a308f4bb

https://www.torrenthound.com/hash/cd00b34a18329e40d4e78a763e8f364d2b212040/torrent-info/A-Twist-Of-The-Wrist--Vol2-pdf

And one for twist of the wrist 2 PDF have a watch/read they have some good information.

As others have said above and is mention in twist of the wrist all your your braking, gear changing etc should be done before you enter the corner. It's all about been smooth.
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