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Lynchasaurus
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: 180/55/17 or 190/55/17 Rear Tyre?? Reply with quote

Currently I'm running a 180/55/17 tyre (Bridgestone battlax) on my z750, and was wondering what difference it would make if I got a 190/55/17 tyre and how it would change the feel of the bike in cornering and if it would even fit with enough clearance from the swing arm, chain etc. ??

Any advice is welcome....
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gray84
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not full of knowledge but my r6 come with a 190 and I fitted a 180. It turned into the bends much easier. Almost like it wanted to go round bends. I noticed this when I was fairly newish to bikes and didn't read up on it. Just from experience.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

190/55 is the BSB size IIRC.

Going from 180/55 to a 190/55, will raise the back end a little, probably make it a little harder to turn in quick, but it will make it a little more stable at high speed on sweeping bends etc. Providing your rear wheel is wide enough to take the extra size in tyre.


190/50 is a whole different kettle of fish.
It has a smaller profile than the 180/55, and it's wider, making it more lardy,and lower at the back end.


My R1 is on a 190/50, and I am looking to go 180/55. Much better size.
I'd stick with what you've got. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers mate, I just heard of someone doing it and was curious of the pro's and con's to having a wider tyre,

Thanks
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

190 section tyres are for 6" rims
180 section tyres are for 5.5" rims

Stick to the stock size for your bike
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bacon
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:

Going from 180/55 to a 190/55, will raise the back end a little, probably make it a little harder to turn in quick, but it will make it a little more stable at high speed on sweeping bends etc. Providing your rear wheel is wide enough to take the extra size in tyre.


Raising the rear of a bike has the opposite effect you are suggesting, it will increase turn in speed and decrease stability

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My R1 is on a 190/50, and I am looking to go 180/55. Much better size.


If you are on a 6" rear rim, fitting a 180 section tyre (that is designed for a 5.5" rim) will leave that tyre flattened out a bit and you will lose any increases in handling by changing to a steeping 180/55 profile. If you want a steeper profile go 190/55
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:

Raising the rear of a bike has the opposite effect you are suggesting, it will increase turn in speed and decrease stability



Yes I know, But he's also going to be fitting a wider tyre, which is also being squashed onto a rim made for a 180 tyre.

190/55 probably wont clear the hugger on my bike either, hence 180/55, on the basis that it'll fit the rim properly.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
bacon wrote:

Raising the rear of a bike has the opposite effect you are suggesting, it will increase turn in speed and decrease stability



Yes I know, But he's also going to be fitting a wider tyre, which is also being squashed onto a rim made for a 180 tyre.

190/55 probably wont clear the hugger on my bike either, hence 180/55, on the basis that it'll fit the rim properly.


So I would imagine it would be end up steeper still after the wider tyre is squeezed onto the thinner one?

I really cant see the point adding a 180/55 onto a rim designed for 190 section tyres, the 180 will end up squashed out and lose its intended profile, and the bike will lose height at the rear as a result probably even compared to a 190/50 section tyre?


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PostPosted: 00:17 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the z1000's run a 190 rear tyre standard and both bikes are identical apart from power, and wheels obviously so putting a 190 tyre on my bike can't be all bad if they have put it on the z1000's which are supposed to be better then the 750's??
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you saying both the z750 and z1000 have the same size rear wheel? (not diameter, i mean width) yet use different tyre widths? I doubt it

190 section tyres are usually added to larger bikes to increase their contact patch to the road
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's assuming I get some wheels off a z1000 aswell so the tyre fits properly**
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol doesnt seem worth the effort for a slightly bigger contact patch and slightly raised rear? If you want to raise the rear for quicker handling why not use some different dog bones to do it.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop replying so fast! Haha

I can't find the rim sizes but the 1000 rim must be a 6" then.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did raise the rear before slightly but then people started saying I was trying too "street fighter" my bike /: haha
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:
If you want to raise the rear for quicker handling why not use some different dog bones to do it.



Which would then mess up the rear spring rate.



If ya wanna get down to the nitty gritty. Wink
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was only asking what the difference was between a 180 tyre and a 190, haha
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PostPosted: 00:33 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
bacon wrote:
If you want to raise the rear for quicker handling why not use some different dog bones to do it.



Which would then mess up the rear spring rate.



If ya wanna get down to the nitty gritty. Wink


lols, maybe it should go back to the OP and ask him whats wrong with his bike as it is? Laughing
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PostPosted: 02:17 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing's wrong with my bike! LOL

I just wanted to no why bigger bikes run 190 tyres and mine only has a 180....

Wanted too see what I was missing out on....(:
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PostPosted: 04:46 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lynchasaurus wrote:
Nothing's wrong with my bike! LOL

I just wanted to no why bigger bikes run 190 tyres and mine only has a 180....

Wanted too see what I was missing out on....(:


Laughing

More power, so they use a larger tyre to increase the contact patch for more grip, thats all
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSXR K1-K3 are supposed to have a 180 rear, I use 190's.

Wheel is same size on the older Y model which came with a 190 stock.

I believe a 190 gives less contact when upright?
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 190 in theory should give more of a contact patch at most lean angles.

Cant say ive really noticed a difference between the 2, other than on my old zx6 i used to run close to the edges of the 180 on track and it would cause it to slide/drift ( gotta love supercorsa's!). On 190's that never really happend...
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a set of those in the garage Luke Laughing 120 70 and 190 55?
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it will probably ruin the handling of the bike... or what little there is on a z750 anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably a 180 as standard, so i'd keep it to 180, like said above, helps in bends a LOT and a 180 is hardly skinny so you can't upsize on the argument of 'its more stable in a straight line'... bollocks.
Stood still it looks more 'MANLY' but you'll look less 'MANLY' when you get out cornered when you're actually riding Wink.
My mate had one on his gix 750 and he said it looked cool but felt horrible to lean into corners, said it just didn't want to.
Really the negatives well outweigh the single poser positive.

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