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Helen496
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Moving knee armour higher Reply with quote

I've just bought this pair of trousers: https://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/clothing/motorcyle-clothing/pants/hein-gericke-shannon-gore-texr-performance-shell-hose-schwarz.html

And they're a pretty good fit, except that even having adjusted the knee armour to it's higher position (there only appears to be two options) it's a bit too low for me. As it's only held in place by the lining, I only need to make the lining shorter above the knee to make them fit better (I think). My plan is to just fold it back on itself to take it up an inch or so and sew a 6 inch long strip to hold it there at the front and just let the back hang down.

Has anyone done this before?

How should knee armour be positioned ideally? I'm guessing it should be positioned so that the curvy bit sits on your knee cap? Currently the top edge pushes against my knee cap just a little below the top of it. If I kneel down I do kneel on the armour, but my knee doesn't line up with the curved bit of the armour.

Is there a better way of doing it?
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 21 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does it fit when you're sat on your bike?

My trousers fit great when seated, but as far as I'm aware the whole purpose of motorcycle trousers is to make you walk like you shat yourself.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with above......... my leathers fit great when sat on the bike, but they make me walk like I just filled them with bum fudge!
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely disagree with the above.

Ideally, you want armour to be held in position when both walking about and also on the bike.

The whole point of armour and protective equipment is to protect you when you are NO LONGER sitting on your bike. There is also the transition from sitting on the bike, and not which is why it's useful to have it in place in riding position.

You don't want the armour to only be in position when sitting on the bike.
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that it would be great to have the armour staying in place, but when you sit down the knees ride up anyway. In my experience that's the same for any trousers, jeans, shorts or bike gear. So if it's by your knees when you're walking surely it's tickling your balls when you're sat?
Besides, the armour's only any good at low speeds, I.e when I came off in a corner and did my knee, I hit the floor still sat on the bike so my knee was doomed (I was only wearing jeans)
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something like these might be a good idea when it comes to having armour staying in place:

https://www.getgeared.co.uk/SUPER-SHIELD_Velcro_Motorcycle_Knee_Armour?sc=20&category=169
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PostPosted: 04:21 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluezedd wrote:


You don't want the armour to only be in position when sitting on the bike.


Unless you are standing up on your bike I don't really see any benefit of having the armour to stay where they are when standing up. For one it would most probably be a bit painful to knees as knee pads are normally designed for when kneeling/sitting.

Care to explain the reasoning why the armour should be in place when you are walking around Question
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:

Care to explain the reasoning why the armour should be in place when you are walking around Question


The point that bluezedd is trying to make is:-

When the time comes for you bounce down the road in a most spectacular fashion you will want to have the knee armour protecting your knees and not your shins.

I think.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

completely see what you mean about being in place when stood up. Ideally this is what you want. When you come flying off your rocket you're not going to continue to travel in a seated position, you'll be bouncing down the road in all shapes at which time your knee armour will not be over your knees
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being off the bike and boucing down the road was my reason for wanting it to sit on my knees when I'm standing.

Any ideas about the best way to do this?
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Gericke 2 piece a while ago - the trousers fitted perfectly, apart from the knee armour which was so uncomfortable when on the bike that I ended up having to remove it.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did read somewhere a while back that badly positioned armour can be worse than no armour. I would take a stab at the armour to sit on the knees when slightly bent at the knees. Cos when you come off, your legs aren't going to be straight if at 90 degrees or more.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're flying through the air, what are you expecting your knee pads (which are now halfway up your thighs) to do for you when you finally hit the ground?
Personally I'd be more concerned about my wrists that I'm instinctively going to put out to protect me.
As others have said, your legs don't lock straight when you come off. If you can stitch your armour so it sits comfortably when stood and sat then great. If you can't just make sure it sits on your knees when you're riding. At low speeds it stops you mashing up your knees, at high speeds there are other things to worry about.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

edb wrote:
So you're flying through the air, what are you expecting your knee pads (which are now halfway up your thighs) to do for you when you finally hit the ground?


Why would they be up there?
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
edb wrote:
So you're flying through the air, what are you expecting your knee pads (which are now halfway up your thighs) to do for you when you finally hit the ground?


Why would they be up there?


I'm just exaggerating the effect that sitting down has on raising your trousers. If the knee pads are on the knees when sat WITHOUT adjustment, they'll be above the knees WITH adjustments the op intends to make.


Basically my point is it seems a totally unnecessary butchering of perfectly good trousers to me.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same problem with the trousers I bought, the knee protection is too low when standing.

No doubt I was wrong to do this (could damage the protection etc), but I made myself fall over a couple of times on the lounge floor in roughly the same way I'd imagine I would fall of my bike, and no it didn't do a good job of protecting my knees.

I think I'll take the easy option though and buy additional knee protection, the one in the link above looks good.

On most ways of falling I can imagine my knee hitting the road surface, plus they get a bit stiff after a long walk already so I should be looking after them as best I can.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you mock up falling off a bike on the lounge floor? Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HG stuff can be sown in where you like, or clipped in using the little poppers. Or at least it could when i had some?

As for the position, think how you're likely to fall. The only time i fell off I ended up sat on my ankle and on one knee. In that position the knee pads were pulled up my leg to the correct position.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 22 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinigami wrote:
completely see what you mean about being in place when stood up. Ideally this is what you want. When you come flying off your rocket you're not going to continue to travel in a seated position, you'll be bouncing down the road in all shapes at which time your knee armour will not be over your knees


When your knee is straight, it doesnt need extra protection, as its not sticking out. When it's bent, as with in a seated position, it does.

Bent nees and elbows can often be the first point of contact with the road, so need protecting.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

edb, I think it's a bit low when I've got my knees bent as well. It certainly isn't the case that it's perfect until I stand up. To get the armour in what I think is the right place when I'm riding I have to hitch the trousers up a an inch or two.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 23 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is a slightly different scenario but it might give you some ideas.

I had a similar problem with some leathers.
The knee protectors fitted into a pocket in the lining, and thererin lies the problem, the protectors need to be fixed to the leg of the trousers, not the lining.

If the lining is attached to the top and bottom of the trouser leg, the lining is not bending at the same radius as the trouser legs and gets pulled taught across your knee.
I cut the lining out and attched the protector to the trouser leg, the result being that the protector stayed in the right place and didn't restrict my movement.
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