Why isn't there small tourer?

[kawashima]

Decent tourers with relaxed upright position and decent wind protection are usually big and heavy like 1400GTR, BMW 1200RT & 1300GT, and they are usually very expensive!
I sometimes wonder if kawasaki makes 750GTR with Z750 engine, or Triumph makes some tourer with 800 engine they will sell well for whom wanting tourer and short of budget, or wanting lighter weight bike.

*Triumph tiger800 and TDM900 doesn't have enough wind protection as GTR, and they are dual purpose styling. Versys 1000 also doesn't have decent fairing, it looks smaller than TDM.
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[Moo.]

Arn't bikes like the BMW 650's or the v-strom 650 for things like that?
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[neil.]

Honda Deauville 650?
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[kawashima]

[kawashima]

I made an imaginary specification.
Does this attract you?
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/750GTR-2.png
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[Gazz]

[kawashima]

[G]

I suspect one of the issues is that if you make a large bike with lots of fairings etc, you might as well have a large engine in it - there's probably only a small number of people that want a large bike with a small engine, so it wouldn't be worth them making one.

[kawashima]

[Moxey]

[G]

When you're not talking a high performance engine, it shouldn't make a big difference - and it's much easier to build the lazy riding characteristics that people like in tourer engines with a big engine.

The smaller 'adventure' bikes do tend to come in, well, smaller packages; as in this case the smaller design, specifically lower weight, does make sense.

As I'm sure you're aware from your various modifications, you can of course give a smaller bike a bigger screen, change other aspects if that's what you want.

[fatpies]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Pacific_Coast


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[kawafan]

I suppose it's down to lack of demand. Back in the 80's & 90's you could buy a decent mid range shaft drive bike (there were plenty to choose from) and bolt a Rickman fairing on.

[keggyhander]

[temeluchus]

[Seb]

So a lightweight, relatively small mile muncher that offers luggage, good weather protection and all day long comfort but is still capable of pretending to be a sports bike if the mood takes you? Oh and it can't cost too much to either buy or run?

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https://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3849/22052008023yb5.jpg

Sounds precisely like an Aprilia RST1000 Futura to me

More power than a VFR800 yet less weight, far less complexity and even the servicing is fairly cheap (until you need a rear wheel bearing ).

It's criminal that sales of them flopped so badly as they are brilliant bikes
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[Walloper]

[Polarbear]

have to say 1000+ for relaxed touring.
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[junglejim]

I once did a European touring trip on a 600 Divvy (old one), two up with 3 Givi's packed to the brim, with no issues at all.
3000 miles in two weeks without so much as an ache or pain.
I've since done it on a variety of big bore sports tourers such as an FJ1200, ZZR1100, and can't honestly say hand on heart that the experience was any more enjoyable on those bikes.

[Walloper]