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PostPosted: 11:33 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: I work in The Science Museum... Reply with quote

The other night after the museum closed I saw one of these:

https://images.gizmag.com/hero/agility-saietta-interview-lawrence-marazzi-electric-motorcycle.JPG

Wizz up the disabled ramp inside the museum, it was one of the creators of the bike who had bought it in as part of a "future" exhibition, I caught up with him outside and got a few blurry pictures of me sitting on it:

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/photo5.jpg

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/photo1.jpg

The bike was really nice in the flesh and seemed to have a lot of poke when the guy was tearing around on it (0-60 in 4 seconds he claimed), I've been invited to take a test ride on track if I want to. I'm seriously considering one as my next bike, very good charge time, good range, good performance, future upgrades included as part of the package when you buy it, plus they encourage you to fiddle with the performance mapping. If they did one with pillion room I think I would find myself saying yes.

That's all.


Edit: Forgot to mention, it's called the saietta r and is made by a company called Agility.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some other things I figure you may be interested to know is that it has BMW style front suspension. It has a minimum range of 110 miles, a charge time of 4 hours but expected to be reduced to 2 hours with the next software update. It used a belt rather than a chain for final drive. It seemed quite tall to me but the riding position felt really good.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

£13750 from firebox.com!

Nice idea but think I'd rather have a brand new Pan for that sort of cash.

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PostPosted: 11:52 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had that much cash banging around I'd get one.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a lot, but then I don't pay the electricity bill in my place as it's included in rent, and I pay £40 a week in petrol which is only going to go up. That saves me £2000 a year alone before considering £120 road tax, and cheaper tyres, and far less maintenance.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, how can you afford one of those when you can't even afford £8 for a short back and sides.

You seriously need that mop looking at before removing your helmet and posting pictures on the internet. Cool
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fairness that was days before a long overdue haircut!
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or buy an 80mpg NC700S for £5350, put £8400 in the petrol money jar = 6000 litrons of fuel = 1333 gallons = 100,000 miles before the electric trinket will start to pay off.

Of course, the manufacturer will go bust long before then, leaving you with a whining time bomb that'll be junk as soon as any vital component goes. Expect any potential buyer to have thought of that too, so good luck shifting it at any price.

Electric bikes might be a rational purchase when they come with a Honda badge on them, and not a moment before.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long before the batteries need replacing and how much does that cost?
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

No idea on the battery question, I've emailed the Agility team and invited them to get somebody with a little technical knowledge to pop on to the forum and answer some questions. Could make for an interesting thread!

The 100,000 miles is only correct with prices as they currently stand. they've gone up nearly 50% since I started riding in 2006, willing to bet that it will continue to rise at a similar rate.

One thing I've never understood is why they don't use a standard battery system or a couple of different batteries depending on vehicle and then convert petrol stations to charging stations:

Arrow Pull up to the station
Arrow Flat battery out
Arrow Charged battery in
Arrow Drive away

Arrow Station recharges batteries en masse

The station could use the space usually used for petrol storage as a battery charging area.

With a little thought I'm sure most of the swap over process could be automated.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will sell about 4 then go bankrupt.


You'd be better off investing your cash in a braille porno.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
One thing I've never understood is why they don't use a standard battery system or a couple of different batteries depending on vehicle and then convert petrol stations to charging stations:

Arrow Pull up to the station
Arrow Flat battery out
Arrow Charged battery in
Arrow Drive away

Arrow Station recharges batteries en masse

The station could use the space usually used for petrol storage as a battery charging area.


I like that idea.

Only problem that I can see is people taking in their dead batteries (i.e. don't hold a charge well, and need replacing,) and walking away with freshly charged new ones.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought about that but figured if a battery only lasts say 200 miles or so, then it will be being swapped on such a regular basis that charging stations would pick up on the dud ones and have them replaced. I suppose cars could use multiple batteries giving longer range too.

I honestly don't see why it isn't the solution. Or has nobody else thought of it and I've just given away an idea worth millions of pounds for free on the internet?
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
I honestly don't see why it isn't the solution. Or has nobody else thought of it and I've just given away an idea worth millions of pounds for free on the internet?




It has been discussed several times before on just on BCF, it's nothing new Laughing .
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad Damn it. Where's these discussions then? Not seen one myself and I'd like to know the flaws I haven't thought of!
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
I honestly don't see why it isn't the solution. Or has nobody else thought of it and I've just given away an idea worth millions of pounds for free on the internet?


The government have got to figure out some way to tax the shit out of it first. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swappable batteries have often been proposed, but given the mongtarditude of your average filling station cretin (and drivers), it would have to be automated.

That would mean designing the vehicles around the battery swapping system.

And that would mean 90% of manufacturers agreeing to pay to use someone else's patented battery design.

Do you really think that's going to happen?
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Renault proposed something like this a few years back - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Azrt_wUkc
Automated, but would require every car utilising the same battery design, which, like Rogerborg said, is unlikely to happen.

Personally, I love the idea of electric vehicles, if I had the money, I would certainly have that electric bike. And probably a nissan leaf too. Sadly, I don't, so its petrol for me until I win the lottery.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Electric vehicles are proposed to be good for the environment.

Making multiple batteries to allow a battery swop system would seriously undermine this.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given some of the cretins that are on BCF, the last thing I'd do is post where I work...
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

electric bikes wont make any noise, half the fun of bikes is the noise they make so for that reason, im out
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
electric bikes wont make any noise, half the fun of bikes is the noise they make so for that reason, im out

I would also like to say , Im out.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

la_lucha wrote:
Dude, how can you afford one of those when you can't even afford £8 for a short back and sides.

You seriously need that mop looking at before removing your helmet and posting pictures on the internet. Cool


£8 for a haircut? I used to pay £4.50!!

Also bollocks to the above, I reckon electric bikes will be tons of fun, loads of torque and the motor makes a turbine-esque noise, I can't wait to get one.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
la_lucha wrote:
Dude, how can you afford one of those when you can't even afford £8 for a short back and sides.

You seriously need that mop looking at before removing your helmet and posting pictures on the internet. Cool


£8 for a haircut? I used to pay £4.50!!

Also bollocks to the above, I reckon electric bikes will be tons of fun, loads of torque and the motor makes a turbine-esque noise, I can't wait to get one.


i agree it will have a lot of torque but it will have an incredibly bland power delivery. power is always best if you earn it by keepiung the revs up, torque is for girls Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 16 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwaks wrote:
Electric vehicles are proposed to be good for the environment.

Making multiple batteries to allow a battery swop system would seriously undermine this.

Not really, because each individual battery would last longer.
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