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What sort of milage are you going to be doing?
What other uses will the bike be used for?
How much are you prepared to spend?
How long you been riding?
Best advise I would give, based on the fact I have ridden 250's in the last few years before changing to 600's is.....
Forget the 250 and run a restricted 600. ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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License changes next January will make 250s pariah bikes. Get a 500+, slap on a cheap restrictor kit, job done.
Take the restrictors out when your license upgrades and bingo, you've got a "new" bike. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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thing about getting a 600 is, after 2 years, ill possibly want a new bike anyway :S not sure. is the price of a 600 compared to a 250 much different? and how much does it cost to restrict it |
You'd effectively get a new bike once the restrictors come out anyway , to get bored and get rid of the bike before you've had chance to derestrict it would be unfair on the bike, so by the time you actually get full power, you'll be able to actually ride the bike from the time you've spent getting to know it.
modern 250's are generally quite bloody expensive, you can get a decent 600 for that.
My Hornet is a 99 model, got it in MINT condition with 11k on the clocks and it cost £1800. 2.5 to 3k as first bike money gives you a hell of a lot of bikes to choose from, if you do it realistically of course.
My first SV cost me £1100, the second £1400, and the Hornet, like mentioned £1800, all these bikes have been perfect.
Restriction generally can cost about £100 to get it done and get the certificate, or you can do what I, and mates have done, which is buy the restrictions off ebay, fit them yourself (which isn't hard, but it depends on whether you buy a carbed bike or an injected bike, carbs are cheaper to restrict I beleive, for an injected I think you need an ECU and throttle stop) and get a dyno sheet to prove the restriction.
easy enough .
HTH
Mike ____________________ '04 Yamaha WR450F
'99 SV650 Streetfighter Project - mid build
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In your situation, with a commute and with the odd bit of weekend blatting, i'd be looking at any of the following;
SV650 - or SV650S (same thing but with fairing)
Honda Hornet
I think you'd have more fun on the nakeds, they'll take restriction better, they're not actually slow at all and you'll get a good bike for your money. If you've got a £2.5k budget (assuming insurance is separate), personally I'd put ~£1000-£1500 tops on the bike, and I'd spend ~£500-£800 on restricting and a damn good all-around service (pads/oil/oil filter/air filter/sparks/pads/chains and sprocket/tyres etc). You 'should' then have a pretty much mint bike.
It'll then look after you for a while, if you spend the whole £2.5k on the bike and find out it needs bits, you might be running short. Having a slightly older, but properly sorted bike might make more sense.
I wouldn't touch the 400s, they're nice, but now they're really starting to become collectors items/occasional use bikes, they're getting on. I'd imagine 'most' of them will need bits of work done that might get ignored in normal servicing (bearings/cables/brake lines etc), going for such an old bike might cause you more issues. Plus once you're restriction is up, you'll be getting another ~50/60bhp out of the 600
If I was back in the position of getting my first bike, this is more than likely how I'd be approaching it. ____________________ Current Bikes: Honda CBR 600RR - '07, Suzuki GSX1250 FA ST '11
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| mredhead wrote: | Restriction generally can cost about £100 to get it done and get the certificate, or you can do what I, and mates have done, which is buy the restrictions off ebay, fit them yourself (which isn't hard, but it depends on whether you buy a carbed bike or an injected bike, carbs are cheaper to restrict I beleive, for an injected I think you need an ECU and throttle stop) and get a dyno sheet to prove the restriction.
easy enough  .
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Why waste your money on a cert or a dyno run when they are meaningless and NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. Despite what F1 whould have you believe.
If plod thinks the bike is over power they will take it to be tested, no matter what your bit of paper says.... ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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the SV650/S does look very nice and sounds pretty reliable kinda cheap aswell around £1.4k |
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Why waste your money on a cert or a dyno run when they are meaningless and NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. Despite what F1 whould have you believe.
If plod thinks the bike is over power they will take it to be tested, no matter what your bit of paper says.... |
I agree, but I was pulled on my SV they asked if I had any proof, so it is necessary, as much as anything other than an on the spot test isn't really valid, but the actual official certificate costs quite a lot, and I don't know another way of getting it other than paying a lot to get them fitted by a company who then give it to you after restricting the bike.
The dyno cert' is just some proof on you which is cheaper than paying someone to do the restriction for you.
Besides, its only a few quid for a run at the dyno up near me.
I'm not fussed about it being legal or not, just rather play it overly safe.
Besides, I was pulled and asked for proof once...
Mike ____________________ '04 Yamaha WR450F
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400s are great fun to ride, especially the GSXR 400s, but they aren't every day bikes. They're unreliable and parts are usually hard to get. They're great fun for the odd sunny day ride, and I have commuted on one so it is possible, I just don't recommend it.
I stripped my GSXR down so I could clean it up, its surprising how much dirt accumulates in 20 years! ____________________ Former: Derbi GP1 50, Sachs XTC 125, Suzuki GSXR 400 GK73A, Kawasaki ZX7R, Suzuki DR250, Yamaha RD350
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