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 aliarseXI L Plate Warrior
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 Posted: 00:44 - 20 Apr 2012 Post subject: What to do when you feel like you've had enough? |
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If someone doesn't want to kill themselves, but at the same time couldn't care less whether they live or die what are their options?
Obvious alias account, and there has been a recent trigger to this, but the old demons are shouting again and I'm struggling to shut them out this time.
It's impossible to put into text. I have a lot to live for, and yet everything I've worked for I'm now letting crumble around me. In a nutshell, I feel like my life is slipping out of my control and I alternate between blind panic and complete apathy at this state of affairs.
If I were to see a doctor, what would be the impact of this on my medical records for the future?
What do you do when you don't give a shit anymore? Please note that this state of mind isn't a "one night stand", it's just I have the option of spilling my guts to you lot or escalating it "officially" and I'm not sure what the impact of that would be.
Please don't patronise me with platitudes about suicide - god knows I know enough about that and have seen it an unreasonable amount of times now in relation to my years on this planet.
Help please BCF 
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To be fair I live with this everyday.
I lay awake at night plotting how to kill myself, in every perfect way, down to how to climb the tree (there is the perfect one).
But at the end of it all, I wake up and actually find I have to struggle through another day, laughing when I should and smiling at people who I really don't want to only to be polite.
I've lived like this for 6 years now.
The worst point was where I was living in Woolwich on a very racist esate, I got so upset one night I walked out in to the middle of the street and started shouting 'Come on the Niggers stab me.'
Been so close to killing myself that many times it is laughable, and I actually put that down to the reason why I can bring a bike back from crashing to a 'That was close' now.
You have everything to live for. In the past 2 years I have lost 2 homes, 2 good jobs, spent 6months on the dole, 1month in a factory, thought I had a good job, then lost it and now back in a factory stacking boxes on a pallet.
But life could be worse, and so could yours.
It may be hard to think of it right now, but you do have alot to live for.
Also alot of people don't know, but depression doesn't actually start with 'I want to kill myself.' 'I'm so unhappy.' It actually starts with general things like not looking after your appearance or not good time keeping where you had before. That is the first onset of depression, and the only people who can actually comment and off you some help about this is the people who have been there.
You are never alone when it comes to depression, it can range from having a shitty day, to loosing everything and being homeless in a day.
No one actually knows when you are depressed apart from you.
I regularly go in the pub and act like a smiley tit who is up for a laugh but really I am dying inside, for no reason just I am unhappy with myself, and wish I could be something more and make my family proud instead of having to work in a factory.
I must say after trying to kill myself a while back and getting knocked out by my best mate or neighbour (Still not sure) all the rest of my mates, decided they wanted to give me a good kicking for being so stupid, and scaring the hell out of them.
Personally I have done death watch over a mate who has lost it all, and was begging for us to let him kill himself and it isn't nice.
He eventually managed too, but all of us looking after him still blame ourselves for it.
Anyway, keep your chin up mate, the sun has to follow the rain and all that. ____________________ Ariel Badger said - Ever tried Chinese preserved (100 year) eggs? Man are they rank, like eating fart flavoured snot. |
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| Quote: | If someone doesn't want to kill themselves, but at the same time couldn't care less whether they live or die what are their options? |
Get up in the morning and get on with the day, what choice have you. Do this enough times and it becomes easier to deal with.
Given that life ultimately has no point, and you know this already, what have you to lose?
Suicide is the quick/easy way out, but also hurts those who care about you, and no matter how bleak life seems, there are always those that do. There is also the risk of messing it up, and fucking yourself up but remaining alive, which would be a bad call.
We all die eventually, there may, or may not, be something beyond, so why not just stick it out and try and enjoy it the best you can?
There really is nothing to life apart from finding what makes you tick and then doing it. Pass the time, enjoyably. Nothing much else matters. Friends will come and go, and let you down. Lovers, the same. Everything is transitory, nothing lasts forever. Just enjoy each moment in whichever way you can, and let the whole thing roll. Control is an illusion really.
If you escalate it 'officially' then expect condescending politically correct questions from people who really don't care or understand, some from of anti depressants, or therapy. Having never been, I can't offer advice on whether that will help you or not. But I have extensive first hand experience of the downsides of anti-depressants.
I have no particular fear of death, but also know that I like the enjoyable (and often simple) stuff in life. Find out what this is, for you.
There are 6 billion people in this world, drop the ones that take the piss or make you feel bad about yourself like a hot rock and find the others. If, like me, you are a piss poor a judge of people and character, put trust in people too quickly, and are generally a bit naive (believing there is underlying selfless good in everyone) then this is a steep and painful learning curve, and an ongoing process.
What you wish to 'live for' can change in the blink of an eye. Recognise this fact.
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I remind myself that I still have my health, my sight, and generally have nothing serious to worry about. I tell myself that whatever I may be feeling, it will pass and will probably be alright in the end. What I am worrying about, will probably never happen.
Then I go for a run (not to locate any greater meaning, but simply to release endorphins, which make you feel better, regardless).
Find what works for you.
You leave this life with nothing, arguably not even 'memories'. So maybe dump this concept of "having worked for" and you will be happier. Even if you achieve great things in the eyes of mankind. Mankind is generally an arse, and nothing to be envied. So do you really care? We all die in the end, and sooner or later are forgotten. ____________________ So in other words, he stopped you for being flagrantly in posession of a motorcycle in direct contravention of the Hippies, Darkies and People Whose Face I Don't Like The Look of (Police Powers) Act. 1976 |
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I guess I've been dealing with varying feelings of depression over the last couple of years too. Not being in contact with my parents at the time that my father passed away was a major trigger. (There, I finally put it out there...)
Then, more recently it's been different financial troubles amongst other things.
I don't have any ideas about ending it, but I often struggle with some pretty strong feelings of depression at times.
So if the help, advice and treatment is available, surely it's better to try to get some help rather than trying to cope alone?  ____________________ 1st bike (Sept'06 - May'10) : 1991 GPZ500S / Current bike (since Nov 2009) : 2003 Suzuki Bandit 600N
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Sorry to hear you’ve arrived at that place.
I’d like to think if things got really hard for myself i’d remove myself from the situation and let the world take control. As mentioned above, a change of scenery could be a good idea... ____________________ Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
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I've always believed that suicide was the easy/cowards way out takes more balls in my opinion to stand up and fix your problems than quickly taking your own life.
An yes I have been in that situation more times than I'd like. ____________________ CB125>CG125>GN125>ER5>K100RS>R1100RS>K100RS
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Dying is never better than living if you're not a vegetable.
What makes you think there's anything on the otherside and you wont just see a black/white void for eternity?
Motivation for you
Try the NHS open mind service IAPTS, I hear they're good https://www.iapt.nhs.uk/ ____________________ Fzr-600 1999 |
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depression doesn't actually start with 'I want to kill myself.' 'I'm so unhappy.' It actually starts with general things like not looking after your appearance or not good time keeping where you had before. That is the first onset of depression, and the only people who can actually comment and off you some help about this is the people who have been there.
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Good grief, in amongst all the bullshit Warped actually posts something sensible, true and sympathetic!
Go see your doc. The first appointment is so hard to make but once you're there you can get some of how you're feeling off your chest and your doc can start to help you put your head together again.
Yes it will go on your medical records but they are confidential so it shouldn't affect your life a whole heap. Except that if you are who I think you are it may be something that you may have to declare to get back to the profession you actually want to do?
The first stage will probably be to put you on medication and see if that helps. If you are or have been suicidal recently you will probably also be contacted by the local mental health crisis team very quickly. Long-term, counselling of some sort will be offered where you have the chance to go along and chat to someone who isn't connected to you and can listen objectively and help you get to the bottom of what has triggered depression in you. More importantly, they will also help you to recognise those triggers within yourself and deal with them before you reach the point of stepping into the void in future,
I've never been suicidal myself, when I get to the edge of the pit my reaction is to withdraw, and I have sometimes wanted to just drop my entire life, go away and start again as a new person. I've made plans, stashed cash, packed the essentials..... it's not good. Thankfully the tiny sane corner of my mind that remains when I get to this point has usually kicked in and so far I have managed to cope and claw my way back.
It's important to realise that mental illness of any sort but particularly depression is just that, an illness. Everyone is different and it affects us all differently, there is no miracle cure and finding the way back to a "normal" life can be a long, hard, unrewarding struggle. You may never get "better", but as with any illness if you live with it for long enough you learn how to manage it.
The important thing is that you really aren't alone in feeling like this. You'd be astounded y how many seemingly successful, well-rounded and "normal" people are actually struggling with that particular baggage. So don't try to be alone, It's hard to ask for help, to admit that you are not the strong person others believe or want you to be, but once you've stepped over that first line it really does get easier to cope with.
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Lying in hospital after being given just months to live, afraid that my body would just stop breathing by itself and I would suffocate, I thought through all the different ways to end it before I reach that stage.
Came to the conclusion that sod it, I will fight it to the bitter end and make the best of my situation. 11 months on I am still here, life aint too bad considering and I take each day as it comes. I couldn't take my own life as to do so would leave friends and family in a worse situation, if one of my best friends could fight his own health problems and still be here 5 yrs after his "use by date" then damn sure I will not let him down by not following his lead. ____________________ Fallen Angel "Nae sniffing my seat now!!!!! "
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Having both been there, and had my other half sufficiently depressed that she ended up in Hospital for 2 years, I can sympathise.
Get to either a Doctor, Therapist, whatever suits best medical professional, and talk.
You've admitted to us lot that your thoughts are are in a strange place.
By talking to someone, you can explore where that place is, and more significantly, the best way to get out of it (and drugs aint always the answer)
Best of luck. ____________________ BWJ
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No offence, and I don't know if it was meant as a joke or not, but alcohol is not the answer... as my shrink says it might make you feel a little better, but in the long run if you are drinking and in the wrong frame of mind (I've been there many times), then you could end up doing something stupid.
Also one of the things that was recommended to me (because I don't want anti-depressants), is to do things that make you feel good (she went into the whole explanation about chemicals in the brain etc), if all you are getting is negatives then it will eventually drag you down, you need to start working on positive things.... stuff like not wanting to wake up, don't see the point in getting out of bed as it's just going to be another shit day and anything else that will drag you down just that little bit more.
Rather than just sitting there feeling sorry for yourself, go out for a walk to somewhere you will enjoy, go out for a coffee (this one made me laugh cause I have a problem with lots of people around me when I'm sitting still), go see a movie, anything that'll make you feel good about you.
From personal experience, anti-depressants don't work, they don't take the problems away, they just upset the chemical balance in the brain.... if your world is turning to shit around you they just make you smile about it.
Have you thought about a new hobby or something? or something to keep you active? Sitting around and thinking it over is not the way to do it.... |
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I've struggled with depression for around 4 years. I have, on numerous occasions, tried to kill myself. I've tried hanging myself several times, overdosing, plotting to jump off a suicide hotspot, drinking, etc etc. At each attempt, I not only think of myself, but others in my life.
I know it's my body and I can do what I want with it, however I can't be selfish. I'll be leaving a right mess behind If I went through each time I'd tried to "depart". Depression is a right cunt and I just wished it just fucked off. I've been out of work for ages (on the doll), can't afford new clothes which I need, present circumstances (which I won't bore you with) and just general unhappiness.
I just prefer to look into the future and think that it will be a lot better than it is now. 4 years is a long time (with no meds at ALL) and ongoing, but I'm sure if I try harder to get a new job that earns decent enough money, I'll be on the right track to shift the horse shit I'm currently basking in.
In the meantime, why don't you try St. John's Wort? It's a herbal depression medication and I heard it is very good stuff. I haven't used mine, but others have said it works wonders.
Don't worry, you aren't the only one out there! Chin up!  ____________________ My Bikes: Lifan Beat 125cc '11 -> Suzuki B120P '76 -> Suzuki EN 125-2A '08 -> Honda CG 125 '04 -> Honda CB600F Hornet '98 -> Kawasaki ZZR 600 '99 -> Kawasaki GPZ 500S '95 (Current)
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It's times like these that you should run out and do the things you've been too scared to do, such as:
A bungee jump
A parachute jump
Base jump
Something soooo exhilerating and scary and different, to make you appreciate being alive and being able to do something through choice, where others don't have any.  ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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