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PostPosted: 20:05 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: '05 Kawasaki zr750 k1h Reply with quote

Hi, viewed the above tonight and thought it was real nice, only one issues, it is fuel injected but had a manual choke.
I know the bike is cat d so could it be as simple as the original switch was replaced with a cheaper one from an older year or is it possible for fuel injected to have a choke?
Also, how does it restrict?
thanks, Grant
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's more a fast idle than a choke.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fast idle for sure, I thought mine was a choke as it has the same logo but its defo a fast idle.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a fast idle as said by the others, and they restrict fine. Fitted with the worst suspension known to man.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
It's a fast idle as said by the others, and they restrict fine. Fitted with the worst suspension known to man.
so whats the point of a fast idle? It comes with two shocks, standard and an upgrade from a 636 or something, still fully boxed, he said Id need to modify the mount, has anyone got anymore details?
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To idle fast I assume.

I use mine kind of like a choke, when its cold in the morning it just honks the idle up.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

grant965 wrote:
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
It's a fast idle as said by the others, and they restrict fine. Fitted with the worst suspension known to man.
so whats the point of a fast idle? It comes with two shocks, standard and an upgrade from a 636 or something, still fully boxed, he said Id need to modify the mount, has anyone got anymore details?


ride it first and see if it needs the shock upgrading first, aren't you still on a restriction? if so you won't need an uprated shock until you can actually get the performance needed out of the bike to outdo the standard unit.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 29 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

grant965 wrote:
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
It's a fast idle as said by the others, and they restrict fine. Fitted with the worst suspension known to man.
so whats the point of a fast idle? It comes with two shocks, standard and an upgrade from a 636 or something, still fully boxed, he said Id need to modify the mount, has anyone got anymore details?


Fast idle increases the idle speed. Razz

Never needed to use it on my ZX636R even in the depths of winter, and what year 636? The 2003-2004 636 shock is also useless.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My fuel injected CBR600f has an automatic fast idle.

When started cold it idles at about 2.5-3krpm, after it has warmed up (whilst riding it) for about 1-2 minutes it drops down to normal (1.3k ish).


I quite like it, means I can lazily ride out of my street and manoeuvre around the work car park without using the throttle Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
My fuel injected CBR600f has an automatic fast idle.

When started cold it idles at about 2.5-3krpm, after it has warmed up (whilst riding it) for about 1-2 minutes it drops down to normal (1.3k ish).


I quite like it, means I can lazily ride out of my street and manoeuvre around the work car park without using the throttle Thumbs Up .

is that not just a choke?
Am I missing something but don't all fuel injected bikes has an automatic choke and so why is a fast idle needed?
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To idle fast.

Christ, is it hard to get...really? Laughing

I makes it idle faster, when an engine is cold, it idles low. It doesn't have a carb you can flick the choke lever on. So you force it to idle faster.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
To idle fast.

Christ, is it hard to get...really? Laughing

I makes it idle faster, when an engine is cold, it idles low. It doesn't have a carb you can flick the choke lever on. So you force it to idle faster.

lol
so am I right in saying its the fuel injection version of a choke?
it won't have both?
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
To idle fast.

Christ, is it hard to get...really? Laughing

I makes it idle faster, when an engine is cold, it idles low. It doesn't have a carb you can flick the choke lever on. So you force it to idle faster.


fast idle adjustment...the stunters favourite.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

grant965 wrote:
is that not just a choke?
Am I missing something but don't all fuel injected bikes has an automatic choke and so why is a fast idle needed?


No.

A choke works in carbs to increase the amount of fuel going in, in order to richen the fuel:air mix. A fast idle works on FI bikes to increase the idle speed.


The fast idle function of my bike is a wax idle unit, a small container full of wax and a spring loaded finger that presses against the throttle pulley on the throttle bodies. As the engine warms, hot coolant melts the wax and the finger retracts, lowering the idle speed.

ALL that it does is increase the revs, in the exact same way that it would if you were to pull the throttle slightly. That is not how a choke works. Choking the inlet of an FI bike wouldn't have the same effect.




You don't need to understand it, but it's not a choke and not all FI bikes have an automatic idle adjuster. From the users view point an idle adjustment lever works a lot like a choke (i.e. push the lever when it is cold, push it back when it is warm).
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
From the users view point an idle adjustment lever works a lot like a choke (i.e. push the lever when it is cold, push it back when it is warm).

Ah cheers thats what I wanted to know, whether or not I need to use it to start bike from cold.
Stupid me XD
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use mine to start from cold, it idles quite low anyway so its worth it for me.

That said... I also have a manual idle speed adjuster too Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

also, the bike is a zr750 k1h but its called differently on insurance, whys that?
z7 or z7s isnt it?
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A choke makes the fuel/air mixture richer. A choke mechanism usually also includes a way of upping the idle speed because a rich, cold engine won't idle well (if at all).

An electronically-controlled FI system can provide a rich fuel/air mixture through controlling the injectors, so although there's no need for a choke valve in the throttle body, you still get a richer mixture until the engine gets warm. A fast idle valve is a way of helping the cold, rich engine idle smoothly and warm up quickly.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

grant965 wrote:
also, the bike is a zr750 k1h but its called differently on insurance, whys that?
z7 or z7s isnt it?


It seems to be a yank one? Everywhere I type your thread title into google it finds american specs Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
grant965 wrote:
also, the bike is a zr750 k1h but its called differently on insurance, whys that?
z7 or z7s isnt it?


It seems to be a yank one? Everywhere I type your thread title into google it finds american specs Laughing

nothing came up on the hpi to say imported
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might not be a yank model...but thats where the info comes from Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah seller just updated me, its a z750.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a photo?

Z750

https://www.sportbikez.net/bikepics/124/medium/1247951341.jpg

You might have the Z750S
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Got a photo?

Z750

https://www.sportbikez.net/bikepics/124/medium/1247951341.jpg

You might have the Z750S


Can I ask what Belly Pan that is Paddy?, presuming thats your bike of course. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not mine, but either powerbronze or skidmarx Question
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