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PostPosted: 14:41 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Anyone got a Honda NC700S yet? Reply with quote
I was just wondering if anyone had got one yet?

At £5300 brand new and doing 78mpg I might see myself on something similar soon with the price of fuel going up.

I know its not the fastest bike in the world but realistically 98% of my riding is commuting to work and back

https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/naked/#!/nc700s/

https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/_assets/images/products/full/angle/NC700S-STD-NHA66.png
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Anyone got a Honda NC700S yet? Reply with quote
Thinking

If it's as slow as they say then I forsee a number of owners getting frustrated pretty quickly. A test ride a must methinks..
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Anyone got a Honda NC700S yet? Reply with quote
If you are trying to save money (which it sounds like you are considering the mpg and price of fuel are mentioned), a £5.5k bike is probably not the best way.


CB500 does 60mpg, is more powerful, lighter, has an 18L rather than 14L tank and costs a small fraction of the price.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Anyone got a Honda NC700S yet? Reply with quote
DonnyBrago wrote:
CB500 does 60mpg, is more powerful, lighter, has an 18L rather than 14L tank and costs a small fraction of the price.


End of thread?

I actually like the idea of it, it's a cheap(ish), economical, torquey, practical bike, but it's hardly inspiring. I honestly can't guess whether it'll appeal to Mustafa Newbike or not.

The NC700X version now, that'll be an interesting faceoff against the G650GS. BMW can't make them fast enough - I wonder if Honda will be able to snag some of that market.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks like its trying to compete with the "first big bike" market. After the new license directive comes into play the old 500cc bikes will become obsolete as they are not powerfull enough for the full "A" class license.

I think this is the reason that Yami upgraded the old Divi and renamed it the funky XJ6 (F for the faired) Kwack followed with the ER6 and the ER6F, Suzuki had no real changes as they have always had the SV650 but it is a market that Honda have not really exploited. With this being bigger than a Hornet but not as powerful as a 750 it may well work along the same lines as the aforementioned first big bikes.

I think it looks quite appealing.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
At the outrageous speed claims I wouldn't see them flying out the door any time soon.

Possibly a load of bull but 0-60 at the same speed as a car. Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:
After the new license directive comes into play the old 500cc bikes will become obsolete as they are not powerfull enough for the full "A" class license.


Neither is this. The manual version claims exactly 35kW - same as the G650GS - which is bang on the upper limit for the new A2 category (and not enough to sit the new A with). Curiously, the DCT version claims just over 35kW, so won't be (strictly) suitable for the new A2, either the test or the license category. That's a bit peculiar.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll be interested to see how bikes like this hold value - I'd imagine reasonably well.

After all, the new bikes of today have the potential of being my bike in a decade!
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
After the new license directive comes into play the old 500cc bikes will become obsolete as they are not powerfull enough for the full "A" class license.


Neither is this. The manual version claims exactly 35kW - same as the G650GS - which is bang on the upper limit for the new A2 category (and not enough to sit the new A with). Curiously, the DCT version claims just over 35kW, so won't be (strictly) suitable for the new A2, either the test or the license category. That's a bit peculiar.


I went back and had a good look after my post and I withdraw my OP.

Give it the same power as the ER6 and then it will sell but as it stands thats a duffer.
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
It doesn't make sense to buy a new one because of the ridiculous amount of miles you'd have to do to save money.

Let's say a CB500 gets 50mpg.

At £1.40/L (£6.35/gal) you'd get 31,000 miles out of the CB for the "off the lot" price of the NC700. (£1000 bike, £4000 fuel).

Ignoring consumables because they'll be about the same if not more for the fancy electronic newer bike.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
All good comments cheers Smile

I wouldn't mind saving some money but its not necessary.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not interested in riding one as I tried the Dullville and hated it, did a couple of miles and took it back to the dealer Thumbs Down

But in Honda dealer today and they said they are outselling everything, 5 sitting there already sold.
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shame that there is nothing unique about the actual model you could get a triumph speed four for the same price has a faster speed and same basic design apart from the frame and headlight from a novice point of view. Can understand why they have gone with the model though the triumphs selection have got approval from most of the biking community hence why they are doing so well.

Has the time passed when bikes look unique from each other Question
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheSmiler wrote:
Shame that there is nothing unique about the actual model you could get a triumph speed four for the same price has a faster speed and same basic design apart from the frame and headlight from a novice point of view. Can understand why they have gone with the model though the triumphs selection have got approval from most of the biking community hence why they are doing so well.

Has the time passed when bikes look unique from each other Question



You talk some real bollocks.


If I understand that irrelevant comment correctly, how is a speed four by any stretch of the imagination comparable to an NC700?

Style?
Same basic design? Really, care to elaborate?
Performance/economy?
Target market?
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
DonnyBrago wrote:

You talk some real bollocks.


If I understand that irrelevant comment correctly, how is a speed four by any stretch of the imagination comparable to an NC700?

Style?
Same basic design? Really, care to elaborate?
Performance/economy?
Target market?


Donny listen carefully Im basing this from a novice point of view with a few minor differences they are the same no real uniqueness in my opinion.

The bike in question the NC700

https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/_assets/images/products/full/angle/NC700S-STD-NHA66.png

The triumph speed four

https://motoprofi.com/bikephoto/3172/triumph_speed_four_2004_2.jpg

Ok they are not exactly the same changed some of the features but you can't say that some lazy/smart person at honda hasn't seen triumph doing so well on their models so they have used the same basic design just altered it to suit the market.

What is the point of creating/designing a fully new model if you can base it on one that the community already loves. They have just changed the market that it is aimed at. You could get a triumph speed four new for £5.4k according to MCN with a top speed of 136mph.

If you or anyone else can't see the similarities between the models I feel sorry for you.

Just don't see any point in getting one of these when you could get a triumph speed four that would do what this bike does and more that will take you a lot longer to get bored with. But hey this my opinion and freedom of speech an all that.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheSmiler wrote:
Just don't see any point in getting one of these when you could get a triumph speed four that would do what this bike does and more that


Of course you don't. The very concept that someone wouldn't want to ride a bike everywhere like their helmet's on fire is so utterly alien to you that explaining it would be like explaining quantum physics to a very bright single-celled organism.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
The entire point of the bike is fuel economy.
Nothing more, nothing less.

It's a 125 for the motorway. Likely to be shit at absolutely everything else.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
DonnyBrago wrote:
You talk some real bollocks.

Quoted for truth.
TheSmiler wrote:

Donny listen carefully Im basing this from a novice point of view with a few minor differences they are the same no real uniqueness in my opinion.
Laughing

TheSmiler wrote:
Ok they are not exactly the same changed some of the features but you can't say that some lazy/smart person at honda hasn't seen triumph doing so well on their models so they have used the same basic design just altered it to suit the market.
What, two wheels, a seat and an engine? Laughing

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What is the point of creating/designing a fully new model if you can base it on one that the community already loves. They have just changed the market that it is aimed at. You could get a triumph speed four new for £5.4k according to MCN with a top speed of 136mph.
You could get it new, for that price, only if you had a time machine. The same article that you quote lists the bike as being discontinued from 2006, and the value of the pound has changed significantly since then. For comparison's sake, a base model street triple is currently £6899.

TheSmiler wrote:
If you or anyone else can't see the similarities between the models I feel sorry for you.
Again, these seem to extend as far as two wheels, a seat and an engine. Oh, and some lights. Can't forget the lights.

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Just don't see any point in getting one of these when you could get a triumph speed four that would do what this bike does and more that will take you a lot longer to get bored with. But hey this my opinion and freedom of speech an all that.

Did you actually read what the OP wrote? He's looking at fuel economy as a purchasing criteria. A speed four is not the kind of bike you add to the list, when you're shopping for high mpg numbers.

There really is some weapons-grade derp being herped here.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheSmiler wrote:

Ok they are not exactly the same changed some of the features but you can't say that some lazy/smart person at honda hasn't seen triumph doing so well on their models so they have used the same basic design just altered it to suit the market.

What is the point of creating/designing a fully new model if you can base it on one that the community already loves. They have just changed the market that it is aimed at. You could get a triumph speed four new for £5.4k according to MCN with a top speed of 136mph.

If you or anyone else can't see the similarities between the models I feel sorry for you.

Just don't see any point in getting one of these when you could get a triumph speed four that would do what this bike does and more that will take you a lot longer to get bored with. But hey this my opinion and freedom of speech an all that.


I can't even start to describe the moronity in this post. I think actually this is the second time Smiler that someone has pointed out that a post you have written is factually inaccurate about a bike... Sort it out.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
EdgEy wrote:
The entire point of the bike is fuel economy.
Nothing more, nothing less.


No it's not. The OP's reason for inquiring appears to be mainly fuel economy, but that's something entirely different.

EdgEy wrote:
It's a 125 for the motorway. Likely to be shit at absolutely everything else.


Enough, already. We get that you don't get it. Don't worry, you're not alone.
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I like the storage on this bike, superb idea, but would that not affect centre of gravity a bit?

Looks good as well
https://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/1705/caaf561b11264f23a775cf59ad121b1e.jpg
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheSmiler wrote:

The bike in question the NC700

The triumph speed four


Chalk and cheese.

TheSmiler wrote:
Ok they are not exactly the same changed some of the features but you can't say that some lazy/smart person at honda hasn't seen triumph doing so well on their models so they have used the same basic design just altered it to suit the market.


I can. The Honda appears to have taken very little from the triumph street triple, other than it has an engine (which is very different), wheels (which are different) a headlight (which is different) a seat (which is different) a frame (which isn't even made of the same metal) and some brakes (which are present in different numbers).

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What is the point of creating/designing a fully new model if you can base it on one that the community already loves. They have just changed the market that it is aimed at. You could get a triumph speed four new for £5.4k according to MCN with a top speed of 136mph.


They appear to have based it on a desire to create a cheap to run, low powered commuter using the honda Jazz engine as a basis, and then created a small crossrunner type adventure bike as a direct competitor the BMW 650 adventure bikes. How exactly a no longer made triumph naked middleweight fits into this I have no idea.

The triumph is faster, it is designed to be. If you want a fast naked Honda then buy a Hornet.

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If you or anyone else can't see the similarities between the models I feel sorry for you.


They have wheels, everything else is different.

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Just don't see any point in getting one of these when you could get a triumph speed four that would do what this bike does and more that will take you a lot longer to get bored with. But hey this my opinion and freedom of speech an all that.


That is not what it is designed for and it is not aimed at people like you. If you want to slate it, by all means slate it for being slow and not enough more efficient than a CB500 to justify decades of development. Slating it for not being as fast as a bike designed to be fast is monumentally retarded. It's like comparing a toyota prius and a lotus elise.

The Honda competitor is the hornet. If you want to argue that has similarities and has taken inspiration from the speed four you will find little opposition.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
the_quick wrote:
I like the storage on this bike, superb idea, but would that not affect centre of gravity a bit?

Looks good as well
https://cdn.24.co.za/files/Cms/General/d/1705/caaf561b11264f23a775cf59ad121b1e.jpg



It's all good until you realise it has a tiny 14L tank.

I would much rather they gave it a 35L tank and a free topbox Laughing .
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the_quick wrote:
I like the storage on this bike, superb idea, but would that not affect centre of gravity a bit?


Think of what would normally live there. Did your bike handle funny the last time you filled your tank up?
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheSmiler wrote:


Ok they are not exactly the same changed some of the features but you can't say that some lazy/smart person at honda hasn't seen triumph doing so well on their models so they have used the same basic design just altered it to suit the market.


A speed four is a supersports bike without a fairing, ride one and you will realise you're talking crap!

Agree about the tank size, that drives me nuts. I'd love a bike with this sort of economy and a normal sized tank....oh wait.
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