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PostPosted: 19:48 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Earplugs Reply with quote
When do you wear earplugs? All the time? Only on motorways? I have tinnitus so a bit paranoid about hearing damage.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't use them. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
bit late if you already have tinnitus
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I use them all the time. I'm paranoid about hearing loss. i've already been told my hearing levels are lower than normal.

Just wind noise is enough to damage hearing to a certain extent.

I use Howard Leights.

I know you're technically supposed to use them once and dash them, but I use them a few times
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I play in a band so my hearings fucked anyway...chuck on an Ipod!
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
WHAT???
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice One benson. From the past I thought earplugs had been done before.always wear mine at work also on the bike.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not too sure how much the sound of a motorbike effects tinnitus as its caused by high-pitched sounds.

I also have tinnitus and I don't use ear plugs - been on bikes most of my life (back of bikes up until last year) and I dont think my hearing has deterioated (sp?) much - if at all.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I'm not too sure how much the sound of a motorbike effects tinnitus as its caused by high-pitched sounds.

I also have tinnitus and I don't use ear plugs - been on bikes most of my life (back of bikes up until last year) and I dont think my hearing has deterioated (sp?) much - if at all.


It's the wind noise mainly.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Benson_JV wrote:
I see...the past
I see...threads...from the past...

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=765905
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=147733&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=107376&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=1306185
etc etc.

I don't use them. Wink


This post is a Pedantusism.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Skudd wrote:
WHAT???


EH???

You should wear all the time to be 'safe' but...

noise damage is a little bit related to 'time of exposure v amount of sound energy or dB'

Exposure of above 80db is considered un-safe but if only for a short time then maybe only a bit of discomfort.

You will easily measure 85dB scooting aboot the toon on a bike.

I wear earplugs mostly and previously on every ride but I admit to having slacked off a bit. Mainly due to losing my custom earplugs.

Custom earplugs are the best as they just pop in. Foam are cnuts as you need to roll them and squeeze them in. They are hopeless to roll when warm and mingin' when sweaty. Sad

I use medical grade silicone home made. cost about a £15 mail order. I have 'Bike Show Booth' plugs too which cost about £60 a pair.

These folk can help.
https://www.enhancedlistening.co.uk/Custom-Fit-/c-1-323/


https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003A28P0M/ref=asc_df_B003A28P0M7677621?smid=AOCAPU50V41XV&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B003A28P0M
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I bought my last lid on the basis of a Ride review of helmets (pre SHARP tests). The quietest (Shoei Raid II) was still above the HSE threshold at which you must wear earplugs if in a work environment, from wind noise when travelling at 70mph IIRC.

My Raid is due for replacement soon and if I come into a bit of spare cash, I'm interested in the Shoei Qwest, which is apparently 2dB quieter than the Raid.

If I'm out for more than half an hour, I wear ear plugs. Until you have tried them, you don't realise how much the noise affects your concentration.

There are 2 types of cheap foam ear plugs - the cylindrical EAR type which are fairly hard and I find uncomfortable fairly quickly and the more conical memory foam type, which I can wear all day / use to be able to sleep in when the Mrs was pregnant and snored like a very snorey thing.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Walloper wrote:

This post is a Pedantusism.


I was merely jesting, be calm. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I'm not too sure how much the sound of a motorbike effects tinnitus as its caused by high-pitched sounds.

I also have tinnitus and I don't use ear plugs - been on bikes most of my life (back of bikes up until last year) and I dont think my hearing has deterioated (sp?) much - if at all.


That is so tottally wrong, ear damage and tinnitus can be caused by loud exposure to noise, doesnt matter at all if its high pitched or low bass lines etc, who the hell told you this bollox??? This is the most retarded thing i have ever bloody heard! Alot of people that leave the army get tinnitus from all the explotions and using guns that are very loud! Not exactly high pitched are they.... You could get tinnitus from wind noise/engine noise/traffic etc and if you already have tinnitus then you can make it alot worse, so even if you have it then you still need to protect your ears so it wont get worse...

Have a look on the BTA website (british tinnitus association) They sell some reall good earplugs, not these crap ones that are just like stuffing cotton wool in your ears, their ones just cut down the decimal levels, so you can still hear and enjoy the way things sound ie engine noise etc but at a much safer level...

Look after your ears folks as living with a high pitched squeel in your ears 24/7 can brake a person in half, some even commit suicide. I got my tinnitus after suffering from a really bad flu and ear infection but most tinnitus is caused from long exposure to loud noise.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kwakki Si wrote:
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I'm not too sure how much the sound of a motorbike effects tinnitus as its caused by high-pitched sounds.

I also have tinnitus and I don't use ear plugs - been on bikes most of my life (back of bikes up until last year) and I dont think my hearing has deterioated (sp?) much - if at all.


That is so tottally wrong, ear damage and tinnitus can be caused by loud exposure to noise, doesnt matter at all if its high pitched or low bass lines etc, who the hell told you this bollox??? This is the most retarded thing i have ever bloody heard! Alot of people that leave the army get tinnitus from all the explotions and using guns that are very loud! Not exactly high pitched are they.... You could get tinnitus from wind noise/engine noise/traffic etc and if you already have tinnitus then you can make it alot worse, so even if you have it then you still need to protect your ears so it wont get worse...

Have a look on the BTA website (british tinnitus association) They sell some reall good earplugs, not these crap ones that are just like stuffing cotton wool in your ears, their ones just cut down the decimal levels, so you can still hear and enjoy the way things sound ie engine noise etc but at a much safer level...

Look after your ears folks as living with a high pitched squeel in your ears 24/7 can brake a person in half, some even commit suicide. I got my tinnitus after suffering from a really bad flu and ear infection but most tinnitus is caused from long exposure to loud noise.


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CALM THE FUCK DOWN!

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I stand corrected but I did read it on here somewhere.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Earplugs Reply with quote
shooter wrote:
When do you wear earplugs? All the time? Only on motorways? I have tinnitus so a bit paranoid about hearing damage.

Wear them when you're on long trips and short trips if you want. They cut out the wind noise that aggravates your condition but you can still hear you're engine while riding. I got Moldex Purafit 7700 36 dB. They're good and not pricey. Worth a few pennies to prevent further degradation to your lugs. Wink
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 02 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Earplugs Reply with quote
shooter wrote:
When do you wear earplugs? All the time? Only on motorways? I have tinnitus so a bit paranoid about hearing damage.


Pretty much all the time except some short journies at low speed when popping in to town.

And my hearing is certainly suffering these days.

All the best

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Most of the time. A little white petroleum jelly to help them in. Work's just fine.
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John933 wrote:
Most of the time. A little white petroleum jelly to help them in.

Ear plugs, ear plugs! Shocked
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 03 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Earplugs Reply with quote
shazza65 wrote:
shooter wrote:
When do you wear earplugs? All the time? Only on motorways? I have tinnitus so a bit paranoid about hearing damage.

Wear them when you're on long trips and short trips if you want. They cut out the wind noise that aggravates your condition but you can still hear you're engine while riding. I got Moldex Purafit 7700 36 dB. They're good and not pricey. Worth a few pennies to prevent further degradation to your lugs. Wink


The 36dB relates to how much deadening the plugs provide.
This is a difficult number to understand as dB value is a logarithmic scale and not linear. So 95dB could be twice the amount of sound energy as 85db which is/can be misleading if you don't understand the rule.

I have checked out loads of earplugs in a safety gear catalogue and listed the dB of each. Most provide 25dB-30dB.
Now I don't understand how to use this figure if my noise exposure is 120dB at 100MPH (on a track of course).
Would it be correct maths to subtract the 30dB (protection offered) from the 120dB exposure and arrive at 90dB?
You will have a bit of protection from the helmet too.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 03 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Earplugs Reply with quote
The 36dB relates to how much deadening the plugs provide.
This is a difficult number to understand as dB value is a logarithmic scale and not linear. So 95dB could be twice the amount of sound energy as 85db which is/can be misleading if you don't understand the rule.

I have checked out loads of earplugs in a safety gear catalogue and listed the dB of each. Most provide 25dB-30dB.
Now I don't understand how to use this figure if my noise exposure is 120dB at 100MPH (on a track of course).
Would it be correct maths to subtract the 30dB (protection offered) from the 120dB exposure and arrive at 90dB?
You will have a bit of protection from the helmet too.[/quote]

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PostPosted: 11:34 - 03 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Earplugs Reply with quote
Walloper wrote:
The 36dB relates to how much deadening the plugs provide.
This is a difficult number to understand as dB value is a logarithmic scale and not linear. So 95dB could be twice the amount of sound energy as 85db which is/can be misleading if you don't understand the rule.



As far as I am aware dB are a 10.Log10 scale.


I.e the difference between 90dB and 100dB (10dB) is a 1 log10 (10x) change.

A 20dB change is 2log = 10^2 = 100x change, 30dB is 3 log = 10^3 = 1000x change etc.



Earplugs are not perfectly efficient either, what is achieved in a lab is not going to be the same in practice. I'd be very surprised if 30dB earplugs achieved anything like a 3 log reduction in real life.


I do believe that is what the ratings represent though (i.e. 120dB becomes 90dB). If I could be arsed I'd look up how they are tested, i.e at what dB and at what frequencies to get CE markings.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earplug#Hearing_protection

This helps clear up a lot of confusion.

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PostPosted: 11:40 - 03 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Earplugs Reply with quote
DonnyBrago wrote:
Walloper wrote:
The 36dB relates to how much deadening the plugs provide.
This is a difficult number to understand as dB value is a logarithmic scale and not linear. So 95dB could be twice the amount of sound energy as 85db which is/can be misleading if you don't understand the rule.



As far as I am aware dB are a 10.Log10 scale.


I.e the difference between 90dB and 100dB (10dB) is a 1 log10 (10x) change.

A 20dB change is 2log = 10^2 = 100x change, 30dB is 3 log = 10^3 = 1000x change etc.



Earplugs are not perfectly efficient either, what is achieved in a lab is not going to be the same in practice. I'd be very surprised if 30dB earplugs achieved anything like a 3 log reduction in practice.


I tested my foam plugs by pushing them in a tube then pushing my noise meter into the other end.
The results were inconclusive.
I could not repeat the OEM spec NRR figure as I think the meter was picking up ambient noise as well as the test piece.

I wanted to compare my silicone £60 Bike show booth plugs with my (miss-appropriated-from-the-big-box-at-work) foam plugs.

I mainly rely on convenience and the custom plugs I feel work best for me at work everyday and whilst hooning aroon the dales.
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shooter wrote:
When do you wear earplugs?

Everytime I ride my bike..........Before I put on my helmet, I put my ear plugs in. Even if I`m just going to the shop
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