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EazyDuz
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Replacing brake fluid Reply with quote

my bike needs this doing, is it difficult? If done wrong can it seize the piston? Thanks
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not used it, but seen this recommended;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350134651318?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Will probably get one and try it myself at some point.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

err isnt that for a car??

changing your brake fluid on your bike is pretty easy.

a Mityvac is pretty foolproof but not cheap.

all i use is a bit of hose that'll fit over the bleed nipple taped to a syringe.

i suck out the old fluid from the res. then 'reverse bleed' (push fluid up from the bleed nipple on the caliper) both calipers, suck out the fluid again, top it up and job done.

if i think i havent done it right i'll then bleed it normally with a jam jar, some spare fluid and a hose with a 1 way valve on.

do a search, there are plenty of guides about and plenty of tools to help you on the various bike spares sites.

you cant really do any harm to anything, the worst that'll happen is you get air in the system and the brakes done work. but all you need to do is bleed it properly and you'll be fine.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
err isnt that for a car??


Umm, yes Embarassed But it shouldn't be that hard to adapt it?
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's reasonably easy to do, I bled my front and back when I switched to braided lines.

If you're doing it, and you've got an ok toolkit, it'd be worth trying to clean up the pistons, even in the seats, just using a toothbrush and removing the gunk off the top of them will help somewhat.

As for the bleeding, the tool on the link from Efes looks quite good. I had a one way valve type thing that connected to the bleed nipples.

I basically done the following (from memory);

1) opened bottom bleed nipples, bled system dry
2) removed calipers, cleaned pistons, checked rings/seals, replaced pads
3) connected new lines
4) refilled system slowly from the top
5) old school method of pump level, hold lever on, open nipple, close nipple, rinse and repeat until good feel.

Section 5 is the trick. I'd do your best to make sure the system is as dry as possible (i.e. all fluid out). If you mix the old with the new, then you'll never get a good change. If you mix them at all, you'll end up with a boiling point of somewhere between the dry and wet boiling points of your new mix, and possibly worse depending on how much it manages to mix with your old fluid.

It's a relatively easy job, but it's obviously an important component, so if you're not 100% confident afterwards then just have someone check it over for you.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbieguy2003 wrote:
It's reasonably easy to do, I bled my front and back when I switched to braided lines.

If you're doing it, and you've got an ok toolkit, it'd be worth trying to clean up the pistons, even in the seats, just using a toothbrush and removing the gunk off the top of them will help somewhat.

As for the bleeding, the tool on the link from Efes looks quite good. I had a one way valve type thing that connected to the bleed nipples.

I basically done the following (from memory);

1) opened bottom bleed nipples, bled system dry
2) removed calipers, cleaned pistons, checked rings/seals, replaced pads
3) connected new lines
4) refilled system slowly from the top
5) old school method of pump level, hold lever on, open nipple, close nipple, rinse and repeat until good feel.

Section 5 is the trick. I'd do your best to make sure the system is as dry as possible (i.e. all fluid out). If you mix the old with the new, then you'll never get a good change. If you mix them at all, you'll end up with a boiling point of somewhere between the dry and wet boiling points of your new mix, and possibly worse depending on how much it manages to mix with your old fluid.

It's a relatively easy job, but it's obviously an important component, so if you're not 100% confident afterwards then just have someone check it over for you.

Ditto to the above, and take it easy over the first few miles, just in case. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a large 100ml syringe and tube from ebay, you may find you have to bang the end of the tube in boiling water to soften u and then wrestle it to stretch over the bleed nipple but it is a one shot deal.

Attach the syringe in fully closed, open your fluid reservoir and top up, open bleed nipple and gently pump the lever until you get to fluid low line, add more fluid and repeat until what you see in the syringe is cleaner.

As you do this you may need to pump and hold lever, close off bleed nipple, detach hose and squirt out the old fluid for disposal, attach the hose again and open the nipple.

easy job to do on your own with a few minutes, zero mess and removes all your nadgery air bubbles that may otherwise be trapped.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Syringe-Hydroponics-100ml-80cm-Handy-Tube-/270964996297?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3f16c5b8c9
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

replacing fluid should be a piece of piss once you don't get air in the system.... get some correct diameter rubber tube for the caliper bleed nipples and connect to the top of an empty water/coke bottle, open bleed nipples/pump brake lever slowly whilst topping up the reservoir.. go through a few reservoirs full just to make sure the system is full of fresh fluid and job done... just be careful not get air in the system as you have to go all the pump/bleed saga... which can take a fcuking age Confused
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems fairly easy, can it be done without the tubing? I have nitro RC car tubing, would that fit?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deckx wrote:
replacing fluid should be a piece of piss once you don't get air in the system.... get some correct diameter rubber tube for the caliper bleed nipples and connect to the top of an empty water/coke bottle, open bleed nipples/pump brake lever slowly whilst topping up the reservoir.. go through a few reservoirs full just to make sure the system is full of fresh fluid and job done... just be careful not get air in the system as you have to go all the pump/bleed saga... which can take a fcuking age Confused


THE ABOVE, and YES you need a tube, rubber or plastic, just make sure its a very tight fit on the bleed nipple, or air will seep in defeating the purpose, dont no about nitro RC tubing so cant tell you, if in doubt, 1 google for info, 2 Pay over inflated garage prices, 3 do you know someone that could do it and/or show you how, and sorry to sound harsh but its not brainiac science, good luck Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Seems fairly easy, can it be done without the tubing? I have nitro RC car tubing, would that fit?


Goto an aquatics shop and ask for airline tubing, dead cheap and exactly the right stuff.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deckx wrote:
replacing fluid should be a piece of piss once you don't get air in the system.... get some correct diameter rubber tube for the caliper bleed nipples and connect to the top of an empty water/coke bottle, open bleed nipples/pump brake lever slowly whilst topping up the reservoir.. go through a few reservoirs full just to make sure the system is full of fresh fluid and job done... just be careful not get air in the system as you have to go all the pump/bleed saga... which can take a fcuking age Confused


This - You don't need all that 1 man bleed guff - waste of money - very easy to do - this vid will give you an very good idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tflWI-ieCpA&feature=related
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