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PostPosted: 13:39 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Advice on buying a cat c kawasaki? Reply with quote

Hi i dont know if im in the right place but im about to go and look at a 1994 kawasaki zx400r L3, has done 25k miles, has mot and tax only 5 miles from where i live. so i did a hpi check on it and it came up a cat c in may 2004. how much do u think this bike would be worth he said he didnt know it was a cat c? any ideas on price really i dont wanna be payin to much for it?
heres link of bike

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150812589769?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that import? Can't click the ebay link as I'm at work


TBH if it's lasted 9 years on the road after being written off at Cat C I'd not worry about that so much as whether or not a near 20 year old kwaka is going to be still in roadworthy condition.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I THINK £600 - £700 is about right for that sort of bike. I'm guessing its not declared as SORN due to its Cat C?
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I'm guessing its not declared as SORN due to its Cat C?


Be a long shot given the length of time since it was written off. Presumably it's been back on the road a while.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
JoeDougieDouglas wrote:
I'm guessing its not declared as SORN due to its Cat C?


Be a long shot given the length of time since it was written off. Presumably it's been back on the road a while.


Sorry, I didn't read the part where he said "2004" Laughing I just glanced at the first post.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it has a valid MOT then it should be road legal unless he's come off since the MOT was done.

best thing to do would be to ask if the seller would consider having it checked over by a service station and see what they say about cost of repairs ect.

then the seller can add that information to the listing as well (with ebay, if someones selling something and you need to know something that will cost them to find out, always make it sound like its in the sellers interest)
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Collection from Torquay only.

See no mention of cat c on there Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh he said he didnt realise it was a cat c? its my first bike, should i offer or just stay away? i thought if i could get it for a good price i might be able to sell it in future. im bit worried about when i come to sell it on.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Collection from Torquay only.

See no mention of cat c on there Thinking


He's already said, the owner didn't realise it was CAT C.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:

He's already said, the owner didn't realise it was CAT C.


Oops, should have read harder Embarassed
If it was once cat C and got repaired and MOT'd then it's fine, it's worth as much as you think it's worth, the cat c doesn't take much off the value IMO as cat C is just fix and go, don't even think you need to re-MOT a cat-c (could be wrong though)

have you ran your own HPI check, or just going by what the seller has told you?

Why hasn't he added it was once cat C if he knows Thinking

A lot of unsure advice on this oldie https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145973

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I have just spoke to someone at VOSA.

A Motorbike does NOT need a VIC - ever - it only applies to cars.

A Cat C motobike write-off can be repaired by anyone and the only issue is what the insurance company require before they will insure it. Usually they require a new MOT done and that is all.

As for value - Its an unknown, as a well repaired CAT C that only had cosmetic damage would be as good as a non written-off bike...

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PostPosted: 14:13 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Advice on buying a cat c kawasaki? Reply with quote

jj123 wrote:
only 5 miles from where i live.



Fo real Alpha? Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh its only like 5 miles from where i live. so what sort of price would u expect to pay for it?
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shhh I edited my post as fast as I could type it!

I have no idea how much that bike is usually worth mate. Let me scour ebay and see.

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Can only really compare it with other adverts
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1994-Kawasaki-ZXR400-RED-BLACK-/330726005853?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4d00ce5c5d

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZXR-400-ZXR400-L4-1994-ZX4R-/261018416595?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item3cc5e8f5d3#ht_500wt_1203

They look much shinier and cleaner though Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:

Why hasn't he added it was once cat C if he knows Thinking


You just got edit butsted didn't you Laughing

He didn't know it was CAT C. TBH if he bought the bike 2 years ago say, for a £1k bike that's 15 years old, I wouldn't HPI it. It was years ago it was written off, after all.

If it runs right, rides straight etc and it's a price you're wrilling to pay then buy it, but do be aware that some people are put off by the marker regardless of circumstance and now you're aware it's CAT C, if you want to sell it on again and a potential buyer asks you about its history, you're legally obliged to tell them.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did the hpi check which it just said, cat c write off in may 2004, i then said to him and he said he was unaware.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jj123 wrote:
i did the hpi check which it just said, cat c write off in may 2004, i then said to him and he said he was unaware.


If it had anything proper quirky about it it'd have been noticed by now mate. As long as it hasn't had 50,000 owners since then where everyone's trying to get rid of it, just go have a look and if it rides ok take it on its own merit.

Not much to lose really, it's not a 5 grand bike or anything. Just bear in mind for the same reason you're cautious, someone else may be too when you're selling
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jj123 wrote:
i did the hpi check which it just said, cat c write off in may 2004, i then said to him and he said he was unaware.


I would ignore it if it was me tbh, it was years ago and cat c is minor, if you want it go for it Thumbs Up

Check it out first though of course, especially as it's local
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cat C on a bike that old that's seen plenty of use and MOTs since wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

However, there was no need to let the seller know up front. What you could have done is agree a test ride value for the bike, turn up, let him sniff the cash while you thrash it, then say "Right, I'm just going to do a quick HPI, I'm sure it'll all be fine - oh my goodness, look, it was an insurance write off, well, that certainly changes things."

Lesson learned, eh?

His starting price looks pretty optimistic to me for a bike with a short MOT, but some people reckon they're appreciating in value, so it's worth whatever you and the next highest bidder reckon it's worth.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price looks about right. I'm looking for one of these for when I pass my test (gonna restrict it) and they've all been around £1000.
I guess that's a lil' cheaper due to beeing cat C but won't be in bad condition and probs a cheap fix.

I'd go for it if you don't mind the damage.

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Take a look at this:

https://www.mycarcheck.com/help/accidentdamage/

Might be cosmetic damage which is costly to repair for a sportsbike due to fairings and stuff. If it's 5 miles away go check it out first!
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babba wrote:
Firstly, I'm extremely sceptical of anyone who's ever tried to insure a Cat C or D bike & claims to be still unaware of it !!!

Secondly, I have a faint whiff of eau de dealer.

Thirdly, you did well to HPI it, now, unless you absolutely know what you are doing, which you don't, then take your opportunity to walk away & let some other mug punter put the £money in devonjohn's pocket.


why is that? Ive insured a couple of cat c bikes and the insurers haven't even questioned it.

I wasn't aware of the cat c on one of them, until I came to sell it, and
a buyer told me.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babba wrote:
Firstly, I'm extremely sceptical of anyone who's ever tried to insure a Cat C or D bike & claims to be still unaware of it !!!


Seriously? It's not a £5k bike, it's sub £1k's worth - I'd not bother HPI'ing an 18 year old bike I was buying for sub £1k.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babba wrote:

Any insewerance 'Cat' rating knocks a sizeable chunk off the real world value of any vehicle.

You have NO problems buying a bike for £1000 when it's true worth is £800?

I have a bike you might be interested in, one carefull owner, only 5000mls on the clock, regularly serviced & yours for whatever you can afford. Very Happy


Frankly, no I don't have a problem with it. It's peanuts. Doesn't make me a mug.
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