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UnspeedySam
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Building a Garage/Workshop Reply with quote
So I'm moving house soon and will find myself with no garage, but also in a position to build one.

I would like something pretty decent sized, but am not set on either a concrete or wooden structure. However I guess concrete would last significantly longer.

I've found this for about £2k but that is a lot of money and I was wondering if anyone had any cheaper alternatives? Maybe even a second hand option.: https://www.kirtonbuildings.co.uk/product_detail.php?id=381
Timber option same price: https://www.kirtonbuildings.co.uk/product_detail.php?id=319
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Can't really help with a cheaper option other than build it yourself. Get a builder in and it'd cost way more than 2k.

Don't forget a pit though!
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just found a self build concrete section garage for £125 on gumtree. would have to take it down and built it up again myself...and might be gone already. But it's good to know they come up.

I'm just shocked at how much (even the kits from the above link) go for new.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
beechbone wrote:
Just found a self build concrete section garage for £125 on gumtree. would have to take it down and built it up again myself...and might be gone already. But it's good to know they come up..


Would you be able to get it in the back of a Corsa though ?? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why not build the main structure yourself, and buy the garage door separately?

Find the garage door that you want. Using it's dimensions as the starting point, you can then build around it.

When I was younger my dad built a brick shed at the bottom of the garden which was probably just smaller than a double garage. He's no builder, but he did a great job of it!

You can get tools that make brick laying a lot easier:

https://www.brickytool.com/index_eng.html
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
swampy wrote:
beechbone wrote:
Just found a self build concrete section garage for £125 on gumtree. would have to take it down and built it up again myself...and might be gone already. But it's good to know they come up..


Would you be able to get it in the back of a Corsa though ?? Very Happy


I'm going to need to hire a van to move house anyway. So I'll move it there. The guy selling it seems fine with it...the dismantling will be the hard bit...
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chalky wrote:
Why not build the main structure yourself, and buy the garage door separately?

Find the garage door that you want. Using it's dimensions as the starting point, you can then build around it.

When I was younger my dad built a brick shed at the bottom of the garden which was probably just smaller than a double garage. He's no builder, but he did a great job of it!

You can get tools that make brick laying a lot easier:

https://www.brickytool.com/index_eng.html


Good idea. If this cheap garage turns out to be rubbish I'll probably end up doing that. Bricks are pretty cheap...
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Build as big as you can. The prices have gone up though, about 10 years ago a single 28' one cost around £2K.

One thing, the people who built the garage didn't lay the base, I had to get that done.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Went and saw the £120 garage this evening. Decent enough size and going to be easy enough to take down/rebuild. I know I'll need to lay a concrete base, but luckily I have a mate who has done it before so I'll just hire a cement mixer and do it on the cheap I guess.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mk1GSF wrote:
beechbone wrote:
Went and saw the £120 garage this evening. Decent enough size and going to be easy enough to take down/rebuild. I know I'll need to lay a concrete base, but luckily I have a mate who has done it before so I'll just hire a cement mixer and do it on the cheap I guess.


Make sure it's a deep enough base then. Thumbs Up


How deep do you reckon is deep enough?
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16x10-tongue-and-groove-shed-solid-sheet-floor-/110869212068?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Garden_Structures_Fencing_CV&hash=item19d051eba4
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
beechbone wrote:
Went and saw the £120 garage this evening. Decent enough size and going to be easy enough to take down/rebuild. I know I'll need to lay a concrete base, but luckily I have a mate who has done it before so I'll just hire a cement mixer and do it on the cheap I guess.
I once priced up a concrete floor for a mate's barn (he was going into cider production and needed something better than a dirt floor) and it worked out cheaper to get Readymix to deliver than to mix it himself.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
mad4it028 wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16x10-tongue-and-groove-shed-solid-sheet-floor-/110869212068?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Garden_Structures_Fencing_CV&hash=item19d051eba4


About the same size as what I'm getting for £120 but thanks. Smile
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
yen_powell wrote:
beechbone wrote:
Went and saw the £120 garage this evening. Decent enough size and going to be easy enough to take down/rebuild. I know I'll need to lay a concrete base, but luckily I have a mate who has done it before so I'll just hire a cement mixer and do it on the cheap I guess.
I once priced up a concrete floor for a mate's barn (he was going into cider production and needed something better than a dirt floor) and it worked out cheaper to get Readymix to deliver than to mix it himself.


I guess if I dig the hole and do the prep it'll probably be quite cheap. Can they deliver to a back garden with only a little side-way for access though?
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry to add the boring stuff, but you also need to read this:

https://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/

before you start. If you don't, you could end up having to take it down.....
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Prefab concrete garages can go bad very quickly, we have one and the metal rods inside rust away frighteningly fast and one bad frost leaves chunks of concrete missing. Would be much better to build a block/brick structure.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tenko wrote:
Sorry to add the boring stuff, but you also need to read this:

https://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/

before you start. If you don't, you could end up having to take it down.....


Thanks for the link. I've done a bit of reading on the subject and it seems that I fall within the bracket of 'temporary structure' so no planning permission. I will have a chat with my local planning office to make sure though.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Amreet wrote:
Prefab concrete garages can go bad very quickly, we have one and the metal rods inside rust away frighteningly fast and one bad frost leaves chunks of concrete missing. Would be much better to build a block/brick structure.


True. But if the worst comes to the worst and the thing becomes knackered, it has cost me £120 and I already have a concrete base to build something more permanent, which requires planning permission but will last me longer.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
beechbone wrote:
Amreet wrote:
Prefab concrete garages can go bad very quickly, we have one and the metal rods inside rust away frighteningly fast and one bad frost leaves chunks of concrete missing. Would be much better to build a block/brick structure.


True. But if the worst comes to the worst and the thing becomes knackered, it has cost me £120 and I already have a concrete base to build something more permanent, which requires planning permission but will last me longer.


I was under the impression that if you follow the rules on height, positioning, maximum size etc, then you don't need planning permission even if you made it out of bricks.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
beechbone wrote:
yen_powell wrote:
I once priced up a concrete floor for a mate's barn (he was going into cider production and needed something better than a dirt floor) and it worked out cheaper to get Readymix to deliver than to mix it himself.


I guess if I dig the hole and do the prep it'll probably be quite cheap. Can they deliver to a back garden with only a little side-way for access though?


I would recommend a 150mm thick slab with some crack control reinforcement - steel mesh. You need to get the base right (level and square, no ponding at door) otherwise you will never get the garage right.

Based upon a 16' x 10' garage, with a 6" thick slab, you are looking at just over 2 cubic metres of concrete.

Standard readymix wagons hold 6 cube, therefore you have to pay a part load charge (the profit on the concrete you haven't ordered), which makes small volumes of readymix fairly pricey. You can go down the minimix route which use 3 cube wagons, but the rate for them is higher than standard wagons.

If you have a restricted access, you may also get stung with standing time - from memory, they allow 10 minutes per cubic metre, therefore you are looking to place around 5 tonnes of concrete in less than half an hour.

On another topic, if you are buying a new door, I recently replaced my up and over for a Gliderol roller door (£400 delivered from fleabay). The headroom is slightly compromised, but the inside space that you free up is well worth it in my eyes.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the detail. I'll probably just do it myself then. Sounds like it will get expensive otherwise.

On the subject of doors I have no idea what I'm doing. If the current one is ok then I'll keep it. Don't want to spend a fortune on it at the moment. Especially as the garage is a good few years old and has some cracked bricks already. No idea whether I'll be able to find some bricks of the right size to replace them.
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