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Notj7
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Opinions - Was I in the correct lane? Reply with quote

Had a bit of an argument with a sunglasses wearing cager this morning. He then promptly stuck his fingers up at me out of the window and I grinned and gave him the thumbs up.

Anyway, I'd just like your opinions on this. Was I in the right!?

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See [fig-1]. I'm turning right onto the main road, then turning left off of it a bit further up. The left turn is actually two roads, and I want to be in the right of those two.

https://imgsharer.eu/uploads/906/first_1337684741.jpg

So here's me before the right turn [fig 2]. I position myself in the LEFT lane. Cager positions himself in the RIGHT lane.

I go round the corner, and I am still in the left lane, ready to take a left. The nob in question is in the middle lane (right of me).

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The car on my right cuts into the first lane in-front of me, and then into the right lane of the left turnoff.

He promptly beeps his horn as I move infront of him from the left and shake my head, then sticks his fingers up at me! LOL! Clearly in a bad mood because of the traffic where as I'm all happy just whizzing past everyone.

So, is that left turn off ONLY for people in the left lane of the main road, or was the driver correct. I mean, i COULD see it from his point of view, but what if I'd been going straight on instead of turning left? He would've hit me!

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PostPosted: 11:27 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was definitely in the wrong based on what can be seen in that picture. Road markings and signs could dictate otherwise though.

Regardless I wouldn't have entered that junction into the r/h lane, I would have entered into l/h and moved over when needed unless there was an obstruction in the left lane.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cock-head caused you take avoiding action, he's wrong. That'll be cold comfort when he takes you out tomorrow though, so own your road a bit more.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have left in the left hand exit lane, then moved over...

...However, as you say, what if you had have been going straight on? He was acting dangerously IMO, but if there was an accident his lawyers *might* have been able to argue some contributory fault on your part.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Left from right lane is a no no, but if you were in left lane abs left lane on exit road was clear I'd expect you to have taken that lane
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Left from right lane is a no no, but if you were in left lane abs left lane on exit road was clear I'd expect you to have taken that lane
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

His fault , no way do you turn left when your in that lane , as said what the fuck would happen if you where going straight on ? Cunt
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Showing google pictures of two different junctions is a little confusing but I would say that the car driver was definitely in the wrong lane. As c_dug says, you would probably be wiser to have entered the exit road in the left-hand lane and then moved over to the right-hand lane.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

100% cocknose's fault. The fact that there is a right lane on the exit means you can use it and there's no manual on Earth that says exiting from the middle lane is the right thing to do.

Big boy in his Audi/Golf/Skoda needed to feel less emasculated by little bike.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was 100% in the wrong. You don't cut across a lane of traffic to get to your exit - I've seen enough episodes of Road Wars to know Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I thought so, just wanted to check anyway. See that left turn that I took to get into the right lane, it's only a stretch of road say 20 yards.

If I had turned off onto the left lane, I would've hardly had any time to move into the right one. Plus it's rush hour traffic, so the left lane of the off-road is usually choca 10 yards on. I need to be in that right lane..
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

John933 wrote:
Look at it this way. You started off in the wrong lane to turn right at the light. Then you took the lane that the car drive was planing to use.

Now revers the rolls. Your the car driver and someone else is on the bike. Your sitting in the correct lane to the right, and a bike is sitting on your inside. You are thinking the bike is going to go straight on. You are intending to turn and take up the inside lane to then turn left. But what happens the bike turns as well your way. Taking up your inside lane. The car drive wait's hoping that on the next left you are going to swing off taking the inside lane giving the car drive room to do his turn as well, into the out side lane of that left turn, But no the bike rider take your outside lane on the next left turn. There's not much you can do, but try and fit your self in there as well. To me you made all the wrong move's from the start. By not being in the out side line at the traffic light's, That way keeping the car behind you. That way the car has to follow, No way could it over take and then turn left if you had been in the right position the keep the car behind.
That's how I see it.
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Troll? There's no doubt that I was in the correct lane before turning right at the lights. Plus he accelerated to OVER the speed limit in order to get where he wanted, I thought he was just going straight on once on the main road because.. well that's why you get into the right lane before the traffic lights!

You are saying that:

1) He was correct to exit from the MIDDLE lane instead of the left, by cutting across a lane of traffic to get to said exit
2) So what would have happened if I had been going straight on?
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

John933 wrote:
Look at it this way. You started off in the wrong lane to turn right at the light.


I don't agree with that. There's a slip road to turn left, and no way to go straight on, so the only reason to end up at the lights in either lane is to turn right. I think the right-turn arrow on the road means it's only for turning right (i.e., you can't go left); not that you have to use that lane to turn right.

If you plan on turning left almost immediately like the car driver did, you would want to be in the left-most lane so you end up in the left-hand lane after turning, and don't have to cut across the traffic to make the next turn.

The car driver made two mistakes: he was in the wrong lane to start with, and when he started to turn left from the wrong lane, he didn't give way to traffic already in that lane.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was probably one of those drivers who'll get in whichever lane is moving quicker or is empty, just to get ahead, even if it's the wrong lane.

Stay clear of him, he's gonna crash someday, driving like that.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

John933 wrote:
Look at it this way. You started off in the wrong lane to turn right at the light.


Wrong all day long. What else is that lane for?
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
John933 wrote:
Look at it this way. You started off in the wrong lane to turn right at the light.


Wrong all day long. What else is that lane for?


OK OK ... hand's up. I should have looked at the picture longer. Thought it was a cross road's not a "T" junction.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta say from that first photo it looks like you have a right turn lane, which you weren't in. If that is the case then didn't you take the lane that would be for continuing straight on? That would cause the car driver to have to accelerate hard in order to take his correct position because in effect you'd cut him off. Mind you, he could just have backed off and slotted in behind you so maybe a bit of bloody-mindedness there.

I don't know that road so I may be misunderstanding what I'm seeing but I've always assumed that a turn right arrow mean get in that lane to turn right, unless there's also one on that middle (ish) lane?
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like the car was in the wrong lane to make the left side exit after the traffic lights despite the two lanes off to the left. You don't exit a motorway from the outside lane do you? When you see that car again or someone else doing the same thing, just give them a "what for" with your gloved hand Whistle
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
He was definitely in the wrong based on what can be seen in that picture. Road markings and signs could dictate otherwise though.

Regardless I wouldn't have entered that junction into the r/h lane, I would have entered into l/h and moved over when needed unless there was an obstruction in the left lane.


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PostPosted: 19:54 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

crackfinder wrote:
c_dug wrote:
He was definitely in the wrong based on what can be seen in that picture. Road markings and signs could dictate otherwise though.

Regardless I wouldn't have entered that junction into the r/h lane, I would have entered into l/h and moved over when needed unless there was an obstruction in the left lane.


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So nobody whatsoever should enter that right hand lane of the left turn-off, until they have first been in the left lane?

I'm not going to argue with that. BUT, if ANYONE should enter that right lane straight away, it should be those on the left lane of the main road only. Also, it's poorly signposted and a lot of people will be cutting across the first lane in order to get into that right lane.

Just called Blackpool Police, showed them this post, they said I was completely in the right (as I could have gone straight on and nobody should cut across a lane), and that I need to get onto the council ASAP. So, here's hoping I might make it a safer place (probably not, but at least I can try...)
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nell wrote:
Gotta say from that first photo it looks like you have a right turn lane, which you weren't in. If that is the case then didn't you take the lane that would be for continuing straight on? That would cause the car driver to have to accelerate hard in order to take his correct position because in effect you'd cut him off. Mind you, he could just have backed off and slotted in behind you so maybe a bit of bloody-mindedness there.

I don't know that road so I may be misunderstanding what I'm seeing but I've always assumed that a turn right arrow mean get in that lane to turn right, unless there's also one on that middle (ish) lane?


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PostPosted: 22:28 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instructor's viewpoint here! You're in the right, he's in the wrong and should never cut acroos as has been said you could be going straight on.

From a defensive drive standpoint I would have entered in the left lane then moved over once safe to remove the possibility of someone coming up from the inside of you.

I would contact the Highways with this one it looks badly done and open to differing peoples judgements as to which lane to enter into off the main road.

We have some here locally and what they've done at this type of junction is hash marked (dashed edges) the right hand entrance ie to keep it just one ( the left lane) entrance then the hashes allowing moving over to the right lane
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You don't read so good, huh?


Oh yeah, now I get it and no I couldn't figure that out Embarassed good job you guys know what you're looking at eh? Next time I'll leave it to yous all.
Sorry Jimboo, yes the other guy was clearly at fault as well as being a nob.
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