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new001
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Done cbt now what ? Reply with quote

Hi looking for some advice again.

Im 25 done my cbt 2 months ago and now am unsure of what is the best next step would want a full bike license as a final goal.I haven't had any ridding experience other than on a push bike and during the cbt but have held a full car license for 6 years.Decided to go to 2 wheels because fedup with the cost of running a car.

Some people say buy a secondhand 125 and practice on it for a few months then do tests+training, some say just do the das course straight after cbt get it over and done with etc.Both steps have pros and cons and its very difficult to come to a decision about what is the best choice.



Secondhand and firsthand 125's are overpriced and difficult to get a good one at a good price aswell as being very underpowered.I was looking at least 1500gbp for a ybr,cg secondhand where i live and its a challage just to find a good one for that price and within 50 miles range.For that kind of money you can get a bigboys bike that is like a rocket compared to a 125 .Its a lot of hasle to buy a motorbike purely for experience and go though the hassle of insuring,taxing it etc only to sell it a few months latter when bored with it to make room for a bigger bike.It also doesnt help knowing statistically you have the highest chance of crash riding on L plates with only cbt for basic training.


The cheapest das course where i live which is in Berkshire was at least 700gbp up front.Its very expensive and if you fail mod1,2 then it will get very very expensive but if you pass then any sized bike is yours which is a pro.



It seems a very expensive gamble what ever which ever way i go, can anyone give me some advice ?
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite what the DAS haters will say I would just go straight for the DAS course.

Talk to some of your local schools and see if they will knock some off the price as you already have a CBT so could drop the first day.

However you do it is going to cost. Buying a second hand 125, using it for a while then selling it = grief, then you will still want to buy a bigger bike after you pass. You may as well just do the DAS then buy a big bike straight off.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

firstly if you're in berkshire id talk to 1st gear mtc. best school around!

secondly, if you've got a driving licence and been driving for a couple of years id suggest going straight for a DAS (3-5 day, how much training do yo think you'd need? i was told id need 4, did 3 and passed 1st time. hadnt ever been on a bike before my cbt which was 3 months previous.)

if you dont have a driving licence and this'll be your first experience on the road id recommend a 125 for a while to get some roadcraft under your belt, then go for the full licence.

yes a DAS is a big spend outright but once its done its done (bar gear and bike costs of course). definitely worth it.

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PostPosted: 09:51 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, woe is you. Don't want to buy a 125, don't want to pay for training, it's soooo unfair.

How about you take a big gulp of MTFU and just make a decision? You already have all the facts, the only thing that's stopping you is you.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You already have all the facts, the only thing that's stopping you is you.


This.^^^

You'll soon find that once you've climbed on whatever you buy (another vote for the 125 route btw) and bimbled off down the road, the cost will be quickly forgotten. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut the shit, I live in Berkshire too and I bought a 125 for £740. That was last summer so you should be able to get one for that price now too. Like roger said, MTFU and do it!
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeyg143 wrote:
Cut the shit


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PostPosted: 14:55 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Oh, woe is you. Don't want to buy a 125, don't want to pay for training, it's soooo unfair.

How about you take a big gulp of MTFU and just make a decision? You already have all the facts, the only thing that's stopping you is you.


^ This +1

Choices;
1) Buy a 2nd hand 125 for around £600 to £800, run it for a few motnhs and get some road practice in, then take your MODs on that £90.50. Then you can either carry on using it, or pretty much swap it for a bigger bike and restrict if necessary

2) Spend £600 to £800 on a DAS course on a bigger bike, then spend another £600 to £xxxx on a bigger bike

Option 1 is cheaper, and you learn a hell of a lot more running round on a 125 for a few month than jumping straight onto a bigger bike that's a lot more forgiving of mistakes that you probably won't be aware of, until it's too late.

Just my two penneth worth. It's your choice, just bloody make it and get on with it
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

qb78 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
You already have all the facts, the only thing that's stopping you is you.


This.^^^

You'll soon find that once you've climbed on whatever you buy (another vote for the 125 route btw) and bimbled off down the road, the cost will be quickly forgotten. Wink


Laughing Laughing how someone can think of getting a bike and get a CBT done and not end up buying something to go around on is beyond me. christ, most have a bike before a CBT is booked, or pick one up that week.

Buy the 125 and enjoy it, you will more than likely be able to sell it on for what you paid, the value in the experience on the 125 more than outweighs the loss you may make on it.

whats the rush to get a 'big bike'? a 125 is a great place to start, going for a full licence and getting a 'big bike' without any experience on a smaller bike is IMO foolish. work your way up from the bottom, go around on a 125 for a bit, do your licence cheaply for the £90, sell the 125, buy something a little bigger, ride out the restriction and gain the experience before buying a crotch rocket.

IMO a DAS course is just a waste of money, its just pissing £500+ quid up against the wall to get something that you cant even use to its full potential, there's plenty of choice of bikes out there that you can have on a restricted licence.
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new001
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes things even more complicated and stressful is the 2013 regulations and the frantic rush by all L platers to get their restricted tests booked before next year this obviously means training schools will be pretty booked up.If i get a 125 now and go in for the restricted license there is not much time left until 2013 and would be probably pushing it to get it done by next year as need a few months of experience.I don't know how the new regulations will effect the 125 market will it hurt the ability for good jap 125's to hold their value ?
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernow24 wrote:


Laughing Laughing how someone can think of getting a bike and get a CBT done and not end up buying something to go around on is beyond me. christ, most have a bike before a CBT is booked, or pick one up that week.


I've done my CBT today - I've had my certificate for a whole 5 hours and still haven't got a bike! I kind of know what "new001" is saying when he complains about the lack of reasonably priced bikes at the moment. Theres nothing near to me for less than £1500 at the moment whereas this time last year when I bought my moped the small ads were awash with 125s for a grand! Perhaps this is the year of the motorcycle and demand for the little ones from new riders is pushing prices high?
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

feck sake roger you were a bit harsh there dont you think,the poor guy is asking for advice which is why we all come to sites like this and you say mtfu,,if i remember correctly didnt you go down the route of 125 then restriction,so friendly advice is all he is asking for, i have been on this site a while now and still aint got round to sitting my test for the second time(failed first time)but i will soon mate and its all down to sound advice form aother folk on this site,,so roar off into the sunset now that YOUR restriction is over (feel better now)
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi New001, I can see the dilemma you've got. To be honest I think you'd e better off going the route of a 125, build experience being one reason. The other to see if you actually 'take' to biking, you mention the decision is based of cheaper transport. I did my CBT last July, brought a POS GN125 for sub £400. I ridden that bike in all weathers throughout rain, cold, snow, ice & the odd occassion when it's warm Mr. Green . I know that I'm happy to ride in all weathers despite driving from 1997 to 2011 (sold my car after I'd done my CBT). What I'm getting at is try it out first, if you opted for the DAS & spent £700 odd, then more money on a big bike, insurance, gear etc & then decided you didn't like the cold or wet. You've laid out alot of cash and then have to try and recoup the cost of the bike and gear (insurance money will be long gone).
If you pick up a 125 & decide it isn't for you then it's cost you a CBT and you should see your money back on the 125.
I've learnt alot riding the GN, builds confidence, awareness & all the other stuff that's important.
I'll be going in for my DAS within the next month or so as I feel confident to step up and learn a bit more and have options with bikes. The GN is slow & tempremental but for sub £400 it's provided alot of valuable experience.
I don't think I'd pay out for a DAS course without doing a winter on a bike and knowing I was happy to do so. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigguy wrote:
feck sake roger you were a bit harsh there dont you think

Nope, and rarely.

He knows the score, he's just having a moan because there's no quick, cheap route to a license. Well, there isn't, so pick one of the other routes and get on with it.


bigguy wrote:
if i remember correctly didnt you go down the route of 125 then restriction

Indeed, and it's a perfectly viable route, but you have to actually do it.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HaHaHa,,cheers for the reply roger i new you wouldnt let me down, i meant that feels better for me,as you said,,no quick route but as for cheap or cheaper it has to be get your own 125 practice then book mod 1,pass it-more practice on the routes if you know them and Try and pass mod 2 and if you do it on the day excellent if not then you MTFU as you say and get it booked again when finances agree with you and hopefully pass it then(money seems to be the problem for a few of us just now) i need to get some more info regards new rules for january from you about restrictions on 125s,,cheers roger.And good luck on your route to biking new001.
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 24 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is 7 months enough time to get a 125 practice on it for a few a months then go in for restricted tests is it cutting it fine when you consider training schools will be more busy than usual and mod1,mod2 will be booked up fast?
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 24 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

new001 wrote:
Is 7 months enough time to get a 125 practice on it for a few a months then go in for restricted tests is it cutting it fine when you consider training schools will be more busy than usual and mod1,mod2 will be booked up fast?


If you think you can teach yourself to ride, then 7 months is plenty of time. Just gotta get the miles in. And you can book very far in advance, so book soon and you can always cancel for free if you then think you aren't ready. Get your theory done if you haven't already.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 24 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuck the cost, get ya DAS done and get a fucking bike, pussy! like said, once ya out on it exploring some twisties all will be forgoten. Have a bad day at work? get the muffa fookin bike out and forget about all the assholes who try and bring ya down!
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