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drosall1986
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: A2 license Reply with quote

Hi Everyone,

So after 7 years driving cars, I decided to book a CBT and get myself a bike.

At the moment I'm riding a CBF 125 and loving it every minuite of it!

I'm undecided on where to go next. The cheapest route would be to get my A2 license on my own bike before January. From there I'm not sure if it would be best to get a 5/600cc bike and restrict it to 33 bhp, or get a 250 (which would be within the power limit already) and ride that for a couple of years.

The other, more expensive route would be to take a DAS course and go straight onto something bigger and unrestricted (I'm 26 by the way, so the new license regulations wouldn't affect me if i took this option next year).

Any recommendations?

Cheers!

Dave
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iMark
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: A2 license Reply with quote

drosall1986 wrote:
From there I'm not sure if it would be best to get a 5/600cc bike and restrict it to 33 bhp, or get a 250 (which would be within the power limit already) and ride that for a couple of years.


Many say a 250 will be a pain as you will need to resell it after the 2 years... where as removing restrictors gives you a boost in power right there and then after the 2 years.. or before if they fall out

No comment on 500 or 600 cc bikes.. never rode either yet... I personally want a 400cc "Super Sport" CBR or VFR , or maybe any of the other ones Razz
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defblade
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the 250 will be worthless in 2 years as it won't fit into the new power classes (I could well be wrong, though....).

However, a restricted 600 is fine Smile
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd spend the extra cash and go for das.Better choice of bike for your money then:D
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shazza65
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for DAS right off the bat. You'll get the bike you want then and because you will get bored of the smaller bikes very quickly.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smaller bikes are great, I've said it hundreds of times on here but... You can thrash the nuts off a 250 without being in losing your license territory - it's a much more exhilarating feeling to be pushing the machine rather than sitting well within its capabilities all the time.

Also, my hyo was quicker than 90% of the vehicles on the road - sure you won't beat the bigger bikes from the lights and the odd scooby or proper sports/super cars will do you, but they're still fast!

All that said, my opinions on DAS/A2 have changed - if I had my time again I would take the DAS. There's questions about losing 2 years license entitlement with some insurers and the way I read the new rules on the dvla site means there could be some questions when upgrading next year, although that may only be A1 license holders.

In short, do the DAS but get a smaller bike cos they're great.
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ian103
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

can someone clarify the licence changes for 2013, I am over 40 so DAS won't change, but what effect will the the changes have on me if I decide against the DAS route.
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jonna
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get your DAS done and stop messing about Smile Once you have that you can ride anything you want, dooooooooo eeeeeet!!
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daemonoid
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian103 wrote:
can someone clarify the licence changes for 2013, I am over 40 so DAS won't change, but what effect will the the changes have on me if I decide against the DAS route.


https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DG_201188

The bit that worries me is:
dvla wrote:
Existing motorcycle or tricycle riders
If you already have motorcycle entitlement, it won't change under the new rules. However, if you want to ride bigger bikes, you'll need to follow the rules for new riders below.


Will they class the current A(restricted) as an A2 and require an extra test? It's a bit ambiguous, maybe someone has read through these properly...
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ian103
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hence my concern, as suggested in previous post I will stop messing about and do my DAS
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P.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, you pass before even on 33hp you'll be fine.

Anything before the law is as it is now.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Will they class the current A(restricted) as an A2 and require an extra test? It's a bit ambiguous, maybe someone has read through these properly...

We don't know, they still haven't published the [RADIO EDIT] legislation.

But A<=25kW has no equivalent under the new regime. I can't see how it could be converted, even if the DVLA were capable of it.

Still, who knows what wonders await us. Very Happy
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blurredman
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Still, who knows what wonders await us. Very Happy


I hope not, because the 19th of January was the day I passed my test.. And the official implementation of the rules start on the 19th of January. I'd be gutted if I was just one day out.

But knowing this country, I gather it will be put back somewhat if only for a month or two.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoooaa Hold on
Are you suggesting that taking a A2 licence this year, will be pointless as you wont be able to lose the restriction?

I want to do my A2 Licence and ride restricted for 2 years.
But if the new licence changes prevent the restriction from lifting after 2 years & I'm stuck restricted ... might just do DAS.
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daemonoid
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogue_Shadow wrote:
Whoooaa Hold on
Are you suggesting that taking a A2 licence this year, will be pointless as you wont be able to lose the restriction?

I want to do my A2 Licence and ride restricted for 2 years.
But if the new licence changes prevent the restriction from lifting after 2 years & I'm stuck restricted ... might just do DAS.


No, the suggestion is that no-one really knows and the dvla's wording is ambiguous. I expect it will mean that people having done the current A1 license will have to pass all the other tests. Those having done the current A (whether restricted or direct) will probably be ok, but it is not absolutely clear.

Anyone with the choice should do the DAS for this very tiny chance and for the odd status with some insurers.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogue_Shadow wrote:
Are you suggesting that taking a A2 licence this year, will be pointless as you wont be able to lose the restriction?

The Directive in question is supposed to guarantee that nobody loses entitlement. However, we just don't know how badly the DfT is going to screw up our implementation of it. They were supposed to have published the laws in January 2010, we're still waiting on them. Mad
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Rogue_Shadow
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 20 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shall Have to keep my eye on this then Thumbs Down
Got my theory on next week, with the idea to get rid of both Mods shortly after.
If I'm going to be stuck restricted, I'll go DAS.
Thanks for the replies / info
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drosall1986
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. I reckon I'll get a few more miles under my belt, save up and then book a DAS course. No rush to get it done this year then! Not only that, but it seems pretty pointless taking a test if the restriction might not be lifted after the 2 years.
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Rogue_Shadow
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 28 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Mighty BCF Razz ...
Any update on the A2 restriction for next year?
I've got started and completed my theory, so would ideally like to know where I stand with the A2 license under next years ruling Shocked
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