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Tommon
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 21 Jun 2012    Post subject: Textile Or Leathers Reply with quote

This is my first post here So Hello !

I will be getting a 50cc in 4-5 Months when i turn 16.

I will be using it mainly for commuting to and from school and work if i get a job at 16.

And i am wondering what the best option is clothing wise ?

Obviously i'm not going to be a chav with trackies and a £20 helmet.

I was wondering whether Textiles Would do the job or whether i really should go for leather.

I'm looking at not spending to much as im still quite short and have a fair amount of growing left in me so i dont want to use them for a few months and find i need some new ones.

So which option would you choose ? (if this makes any difference i wont be getting the moped de-restricted as i only go on 30 roads )
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 21 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for textiles if your just commuting. A lot cheaper too. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 21 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally I would say that leathers are better, however in your case I would say go for the gear you think you will actually wear _every time_ you get on the bike.

If you are using the vehicle to travel only a few miles at a time, you will probably get sick of having to gear up fully, so I would recommend a good pair of kevlar jeans or textile jeans that look reasonably presentable.

Jacket you may as well go leather IMO, something like https://www.motorbikecrazy.com/acatalog/weise-retro.jpg is going to look fine with a pair of jeans.

If it helps, you can get loads of good deals on eBay. I bought a brand new Frank Thomas jacket for £50 and a slightly worn pair of trousers for £20. Helmet, gloves and boots I bought new so that I could check fit.

Army surplus boots do a good job at protecting your feet as long as you are happy with lacing them often. They also look good with jeans.

Keep in mind that leathers are not waterproof - in anything other than a mild shower they will weigh you down, so you will need an oversuit (£20ish) if you plan to go out in torrential conditions. Textiles can be waterproof.

TL;DR version: Can you see yourself walking into sixth form college or work in a full set of leathers? If not, don't bother getting them because you will end up wearing normal clothes instead.


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PostPosted: 21:03 - 21 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for textiles, at 30mph you wont need leathers, textiles will provide adequate protection and their more waterproof, plus you can get away with getting slightly bigger than you need and padding it out underneath with jumpers etc so you wont grow out of it as fast, That's what I do on my 125, I only use my leathers on journeys of 60+ miles and when the majority of that trip are faster roads.

they're also cheaper.

do get yourself some decent boots and gloves though, IMO warm and dry hands and feet are more important than decent crash protection, and this is coming from someone who spent time in surgery and intensive care after a crash lol.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 21 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks you ! Very Happy

The amount of chavs that have told me ' oi you only need to wear a shirt ennit ' is unreal ! ' youll look like a pussy in a leather jacket ' rather look like a pussy and still have a decent layer of skin ...

Thanks for the opinions , really appreciate it
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 21 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommon wrote:
Thanks you ! Very Happy

The amount of chavs that have told me ' oi you only need to wear a shirt ennit ' is unreal ! ' youll look like a pussy in a leather jacket ' rather look like a pussy and still have a decent layer of skin ...

Thanks for the opinions , really appreciate it


IMO leather jackets look great. Sporty ones look daft while you're off the bike, but black ones, other than the body armour, don't look too different to your standard jacket, loads of people wear fashion leather jackets.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 21 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both. Or a combo.
Actually whatever suits you best. What you feel comfy in. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some £20 crash hats have better safety ratings than £400 ones, don't dismiss them on price.

Derivative has nailed it: gear that you don't wear will offer no protection. I'd also agree completely with his suggestions: kevlar lined jeans, leather (or cordura) jacket, army surplus boots, plus separate waterproofs. You should be able to score all or most of those used on eBay or Gumtree. Look for armoured versions, impact will be a bigger issue for you than abrasion.

Speaking of which, a couple of things to bear in mind:

1) You'll be racing neck-and-neck with pushbikes. You can die at 0mph, but excess speed isn't your problem.

2) 16 year olds on scooters have by far the highest incident of accidents, 50% more even than 17 year olds.

Sorry to pull a Tef, but the biggest danger to yourself is you, and the most significant factor in your safety isn't crash gear, it's crash avoidance.

Do you ride a pushbike? If not, start now. Get out there with the traffic and learn to negotiate your way through it by realising that cagers just don't see you, and helping them to do so by signalling your intentions, being assertive and holding your line. It's hard to do, you will piss people off, but if you habitually ride in the gutter (on a pushbike or a ped) then you're making a SMIDSY much more likely.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
but if you habitually ride in the gutter (on a pushbike or a ped) then you're making a SMIDSY much more likely.


I saw this on Wednesday on a busy road. There was a ped giving it all it had got and sitting in the gutter, trying to get up the hill on this busy road (doing about 25 in a 40 zone). There was a fully laden dumper truck (this kind) no more than a foot away from the rear wheel on the ped. It followed like this for hundreds of meters until it finally got a chance to pass and even then it didn't give the ped a wide berth.

I felt bad for the ped but couldn't think of a way to tell the kid to stop riding in the gutter without actually pulling him/her over (nowhere to stop him/her either). I think the low speed on those machines are far too dangerous. I would rather people who are 16 ride 125s instead of 50s.

(Note: was actually somebody in decent protective gear with a hi-viz, not chav scum)
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mo-Ped... abreviation of 'motorised' - 'Pedal' (Cycle)
Ie its a push-bike with a motor!
Legally limited to 31mph, a fit kid on a bmx could go faster / cause more mahem!
What would you wear on a push-bike?

Textiles will do fine!
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Textile Or Leathers Reply with quote

Tommon wrote:
Obviously i'm not going to be a chav with trackies and a £20 helmet.


Bloody hell a sensible [almost]sixteen year old Shocked

Textiles all the way, cheaper than leathers & way more waterproof.

Ps. This is the one and only occasion you can ignore Teflon-Mike, it's your first motorised transport, your first motorcycle (sod what the law defines it as) ride with pride & enjoy it.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Very Happy

i genuinely don't think i've seen a 50cc rider with more than a helmet an their tracksuit

The amount of ' you're a chav ' looks i get when i say i'm going to be riding a moped is unbelievable.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommon wrote:
Thanks Very Happy

i genuinely don't think i've seen a 50cc rider with more than a helmet an their tracksuit

The amount of ' you're a chav ' looks i get when i say i'm going to be riding a moped is unbelievable.


It's a shame how some Idiots can ruin things for everyone else and get people all tarred with the same brush.

The worst thing about that, though, is that its always the bad that outweighs the good, people tend not to remember the polite, helpful, well mannered lad who rides a moped as the only legal form of motorised transport he can ride, but they do remember the group of pillocks riding on one wheel making stupid amounts of noise, or those who ride across fields and children's playgrounds 3 up and lidless, the ones who treat them with attitude and can barely string a sentence together.

This leads to the abuse and general dis-respect anyone with an L plate gets when on the road, as they're associated with the scummy CHAV pricks!
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooops. Busted. I am sometimes riding like this on a hot day

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https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/IMG00353-20111211-1434.jpg


https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/IMG00870-20110313-1725.jpg


https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/IMG-20120226-00309.jpg

Who me? I forgot my jacket panst and boots honest


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PostPosted: 20:30 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check any charity shops nearby. I got some Harley boots for £21 and a Spada textile jacket for £30. The same shop also had Frank Thomas leather gloves for £3.99 and the fit was perfect.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've also just got my moped. however the first safety thing i bought was some performance parts along with an electronic restrictor. it means i can keep up with cars which i think is a lot safer than being constantly overtaken. the electronic restrictor means that if put on a dyno it only reads 30 mph.

I thought about splashing out on a leather jacket etc but i know it will only last a year so i went with kevlar jeans with this https://www.ghostbikes.com/products/on-road-gear-motorcycle-jackets/5008-black-argon-motorcycle-jacket.html#descriptiontab

and back onto the "chav" debate i'd say get a geared bike. most look like proper motorbikes.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 22 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathan k wrote:


I thought about splashing out on a leather jacket etc but i know it will only last a year


What are you doing to it?? I gave my nephew my old leather jacket I had when I got my puch maxi at 16, jackets was 20 years old.

Haven't worn it for 18 of them mind - been in the attic (the jacket, not me or my nephew) Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 23 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cant we all just get along

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PostPosted: 12:10 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

janner_10 wrote:


What are you doing to it?? I gave my nephew my old leather jacket I had when I got my puch maxi at 16, jackets was 20 years old.

Haven't worn it for 18 of them mind - been in the attic (the jacket, not me or my nephew) Laughing


I meant i'd grow out of it quickly

Teflon-Mike wrote:


But kid yourself however you like, fella..... in your monkey-sphere it is a work of shear criminal genius and makes you 'safer'... but you ent a 'chav' so that's OK Rolling Eyes
Ok thanks for pointing that out, I'm off to make my bike stock again right now! I honestly had no idea that keeping up with traffic to prevent being dangerously overtaken is actually MORE dangerous.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathan k wrote:


Teflon-Mike wrote:


But kid yourself however you like, fella..... in your monkey-sphere it is a work of shear criminal genius and makes you 'safer'... but you ent a 'chav' so that's OK Rolling Eyes
Ok thanks for pointing that out, I'm off to make my bike stock again right now! I honestly had no idea that keeping up with traffic to prevent being dangerously overtaken is actually MORE dangerous.


You don't have to keep up with anyone, especially when most people ignore the limits anyway, regardless of whether you can reach them or not. Riding in the correct position on the road means anyone over-taking has to properly judge their maneuver.

Going faster will just make everyone else go faster trying to over take you. In that logic, would you rather come off at 30mph or 45?
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Astandane wrote:
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Going faster will just make everyone else go faster trying to over take you. In that logic, would you rather come off at 30mph or 45?


I see your point but i'm talking about one specific road that gets me to college. There is constant traffic and few spots for overtaking. i normally follow the traffic at 50mph through the whole journey which i feel comfortable with and normally it's only the odd biker that overtakes me.

compare that to sitting at 30mph and having a build up of traffic trying to overtake me, normally cutting it close due to there not being many chances to overtake.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathan k wrote:
i normally follow the traffic at 50mph


Your speedo's telling porkies.

More likely your riding without a licence and insurance on a bike that you've failed to inform the dvla you've re-categorised at 40mph max.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathan k wrote:
I see your point but i'm talking about one specific road that gets me to college. There is constant traffic and few spots for overtaking. i normally follow the traffic at 50mph through the whole journey which i feel comfortable with and normally it's only the odd biker that overtakes me.

compare that to sitting at 30mph and having a build up of traffic trying to overtake me, normally cutting it close due to there not being many chances to overtake.


Why do you HAVE to ride down THAT road? Is there not an alternative route? Sure there must be....

What would you do if you were still 15 and all you could have was a push-bike?

Would you be trying to get mega-fit so you could pedal hard enough to keep up with cars?

Would you go another way?

Would you catch the bus instead?

You probably think, or would like to THINK that the thing is a 'motor-bike' and would like it to go as fast as a motorbike, and do the things motorbikes can do.... but unfortunate thing is it ISN'T.... its a moped.

And you are looking to justify your ambitions of the machine to MAKE it do what you want it to, and what you KNOW you aren't ALLOWED, on spuriouse grounds of 'safety'.

Its a push bike you dont have to pedal.

Change the way you think about it and look at it like THAT.

And if you wont feel 'safe' riding a self propelled push-bike some-where.... DONT GO THERE!

No-one MAKES you ride the ruddy thing!

FIRST FAILURE of 'Safety' - See Danger-Dont go there.

You see danger... go there ANYWAY, and because cars are rushing past you, RATHER than go "Oh, this isn't such a great idea" and get out of there and NOT go back....

You ILLEGALLY modify your moped to go faster than its designed

RIDE that moped faster than you are legally qualified...... and probably competant or experienced enough to manage.... (odds on you are on L-Plates... dont expect you will have passed the moped test, have you?)

SO, not ONLY are you failing to recognise DANGER and NOT putting yourself IN Danger......

You are UPPING the 'Danger' modifying your machine to go speeds beyond the 'standards' it was designed to handle....

And more, pushing yourself to ride at speeds and contend with situations ABOVE your competence.....

.... waits for string of expletives, spittle and foam at mouth in denial to stop.....

Sorry YES you ARE riding beyond your competence because your HAZARD PERCEPTION failed at the very first hurdle... 50mph roads See-Danger..... IGNORE danger...... Make it MORE dangerous!

This is NOT the right attitude for a long and accident free career on powered two wheelers!

THINK about it.....

If you don't LIKE being restricted to a 50... DONT ride one!

No-One makes you.

Don't like that stretch of road? DONT ride down it! Go another way?

No one FORCES you down that road!

Riding bikes is all about CONTROL..... and that starts with SELF CONTROL and not letting red-mist rule your reason, or making illogical, half thought out decisions based on pretty illogical 'reasoning'

We LIVE on our wits on two-wheels, and that means making GOOD choices based on SOUND and valid reasoning.......

And you are NOT doing that!

Irrespective of the daft matter that you only need one coppa with a clue to spot you doing over 35mph for 1/4 mile......

SP20 Exceeding speed limit for type of vehicle (excluding goods or passenger vehicles) 3-6 points

Becouse a MOPED is limited to 35mph, irrespective of what the speed-limit posting is for taht bit of road for 'other' types of traffic!

CU20 Causing or likely to cause danger by reason of use of unsuitable vehicle or using a vehicle with parts or accessories (excluding brakes, steering or tyres) in a dangerous condition 3 points

Becouse the vehicle has been ILLEGALLY modified from the standards to which the vehicle must meet under law

IN10 Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks. 6-8 Points

Becouse the vehicle you are riding has been illegally MODIFIED to be a 'motorcycle' and is NOT the vehicle described on the log-book, OR the vehicle for which you have fraudulantly obtained insurance

LC20 Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence 3-6 Points

Because you have only 'Moped' licence entitlement & vehicle you are riding is NOT a 'moped', its a 'motorcycle'

Coppa can take his PICK what to chuck at you...... could charge you with any or all of them..... that's enough points to see you 'Banned' before you even begin, if they want to......

And wop you with hefty fine for each and every one.

Meanwhile, they can seize the vehicle for no insurance. And you would be lammed with teh recovery charges AND insurance charges until you could 'prove' some sort of insurance on it to get it back....

But since its been modified and is other than as described on log book..... you probably wouldn't be ABLE to get it back, becouse you wouldn't be able to insure it until you have returned it to standard or got it re-registered as a motorcycle..... which needs you to HAVE the bike to present for VOSA inspection....

But they would probably crush anyway simply for being other than as described on teh log-book.... and hence a 'Dangerouse Vehicle'.

SO....

Not ONLY are you ignoring the 'Danger' of riding down a road that is probably not a great idea to ride down on a moped, AND at a higher speed that is 'prudent'...

You are ALSO ignoring the glaring 'Dangers' of having your bike taken off you, and crushed without recourse; having your licence taken off you, torn up into shreds and tossed to the breeze, AND lammed with hefty fines, and a 'declarable' set of driving convictions that will keep you in poverty, and on the bus for probably the next five years or more......

That is some pretty good 'Risk-Assessement' kid.....

Oh! Fast cars going past....... I know I'll take ALL these EXTRA risks because I being buffetted by a bit of wind, is a little bit scary!

End of the day, I really dont give a shit what you do... makes little or no odds to me in my monkey-sphere whether you ride, dont ride, ride illegally, or how fast or not.... I have a full licence and big bikes, I can pretty much do as I like and do it legally.

Now, you can take it that I'm a boring old fart; slapping you down because you are a 'kid' and ought to be kept in your place, and greatful you are allowed ANY form motor-vehicle....

OR you can take it as a little bit of GET YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR ARSE and STOP spouting bollox!

Fair enough if you are stupid enough or ignorant enough to take these risks, and justify them as some-how making you 'safer'

Something quite DIFFERENT to be offering the advice encouraging OTHERS to break the law, and risk loosing their life, licence AND bike over, in the misguided belief that your 'half-arsed' reasoning makes some kind of sense!
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, you need another project - may i suggest a TANK, something that would be challenging and hard to rob. Idea
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