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Go for textiles if your just commuting. A lot cheaper too.  |
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Generally I would say that leathers are better, however in your case I would say go for the gear you think you will actually wear _every time_ you get on the bike.
If you are using the vehicle to travel only a few miles at a time, you will probably get sick of having to gear up fully, so I would recommend a good pair of kevlar jeans or textile jeans that look reasonably presentable.
Jacket you may as well go leather IMO, something like https://www.motorbikecrazy.com/acatalog/weise-retro.jpg is going to look fine with a pair of jeans.
If it helps, you can get loads of good deals on eBay. I bought a brand new Frank Thomas jacket for £50 and a slightly worn pair of trousers for £20. Helmet, gloves and boots I bought new so that I could check fit.
Army surplus boots do a good job at protecting your feet as long as you are happy with lacing them often. They also look good with jeans.
Keep in mind that leathers are not waterproof - in anything other than a mild shower they will weigh you down, so you will need an oversuit (£20ish) if you plan to go out in torrential conditions. Textiles can be waterproof.
TL;DR version: Can you see yourself walking into sixth form college or work in a full set of leathers? If not, don't bother getting them because you will end up wearing normal clothes instead.
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Thanks you !
The amount of chavs that have told me ' oi you only need to wear a shirt ennit ' is unreal ! ' youll look like a pussy in a leather jacket ' rather look like a pussy and still have a decent layer of skin ...
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Both. Or a combo.
Actually whatever suits you best. What you feel comfy in.  ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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Some £20 crash hats have better safety ratings than £400 ones, don't dismiss them on price.
Derivative has nailed it: gear that you don't wear will offer no protection. I'd also agree completely with his suggestions: kevlar lined jeans, leather (or cordura) jacket, army surplus boots, plus separate waterproofs. You should be able to score all or most of those used on eBay or Gumtree. Look for armoured versions, impact will be a bigger issue for you than abrasion.
Speaking of which, a couple of things to bear in mind:
1) You'll be racing neck-and-neck with pushbikes. You can die at 0mph, but excess speed isn't your problem.
2) 16 year olds on scooters have by far the highest incident of accidents, 50% more even than 17 year olds.
Sorry to pull a Tef, but the biggest danger to yourself is you, and the most significant factor in your safety isn't crash gear, it's crash avoidance.
Do you ride a pushbike? If not, start now. Get out there with the traffic and learn to negotiate your way through it by realising that cagers just don't see you, and helping them to do so by signalling your intentions, being assertive and holding your line. It's hard to do, you will piss people off, but if you habitually ride in the gutter (on a pushbike or a ped) then you're making a SMIDSY much more likely. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Thanks
i genuinely don't think i've seen a 50cc rider with more than a helmet an their tracksuit
The amount of ' you're a chav ' looks i get when i say i'm going to be riding a moped is unbelievable. |
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I've also just got my moped. however the first safety thing i bought was some performance parts along with an electronic restrictor. it means i can keep up with cars which i think is a lot safer than being constantly overtaken. the electronic restrictor means that if put on a dyno it only reads 30 mph.
I thought about splashing out on a leather jacket etc but i know it will only last a year so i went with kevlar jeans with this https://www.ghostbikes.com/products/on-road-gear-motorcycle-jackets/5008-black-argon-motorcycle-jacket.html#descriptiontab
and back onto the "chav" debate i'd say get a geared bike. most look like proper motorbikes. |
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| nathan k wrote: | I've also just got my moped. however the first safety thing i bought was some performance parts along with an electronic restrictor. it means i can keep up with cars which i think is a lot safer than being constantly overtaken. |
Its a Moped, a motorised bicycle. if you don't like 30mph, stick to a push bike.
Going 'Faster' is NOT 'safer' in no way shape or form no matter HOW you try and invert the logic in your teenage delusions!
Being over-taken by cars?
Road-Positioning, Defensive riding, NOT going where you wouldn't ride a push bike; THAT is how you stay 'Safe' on a moped....
NOT tuning one up to be a an ILLEGAL motorcycle, on a dodgy log-book and papers, that STILL wont go as fast as cars..... and no matter what fancy electronic boxes you have....
Legal restriction is measured by that 32mph max speed limit for vehicle type..... they dont need to stick your ped on a dyno....
just follow you for 1/4 mile going over 35mph and they have ALL the proof they need to nail your arse for riding a vehicle other than described on the registration; a vehicle that is not in accordance with your licence and NOT insured by dint of either other offense.
Actually breaking FEWER laws riding a Hyabusa!
But kid yourself however you like, fella..... in your monkey-sphere it is a work of shear criminal genius and makes you 'safer'... but you ent a 'chav' so that's OK  ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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| nathan k wrote: | I see your point but i'm talking about one specific road that gets me to college. There is constant traffic and few spots for overtaking. i normally follow the traffic at 50mph through the whole journey which i feel comfortable with and normally it's only the odd biker that overtakes me.
compare that to sitting at 30mph and having a build up of traffic trying to overtake me, normally cutting it close due to there not being many chances to overtake. |
Why do you HAVE to ride down THAT road? Is there not an alternative route? Sure there must be....
What would you do if you were still 15 and all you could have was a push-bike?
Would you be trying to get mega-fit so you could pedal hard enough to keep up with cars?
Would you go another way?
Would you catch the bus instead?
You probably think, or would like to THINK that the thing is a 'motor-bike' and would like it to go as fast as a motorbike, and do the things motorbikes can do.... but unfortunate thing is it ISN'T.... its a moped.
And you are looking to justify your ambitions of the machine to MAKE it do what you want it to, and what you KNOW you aren't ALLOWED, on spuriouse grounds of 'safety'.
Its a push bike you dont have to pedal.
Change the way you think about it and look at it like THAT.
And if you wont feel 'safe' riding a self propelled push-bike some-where.... DONT GO THERE!
No-one MAKES you ride the ruddy thing!
FIRST FAILURE of 'Safety' - See Danger-Dont go there.
You see danger... go there ANYWAY, and because cars are rushing past you, RATHER than go "Oh, this isn't such a great idea" and get out of there and NOT go back....
You ILLEGALLY modify your moped to go faster than its designed
RIDE that moped faster than you are legally qualified...... and probably competant or experienced enough to manage.... (odds on you are on L-Plates... dont expect you will have passed the moped test, have you?)
SO, not ONLY are you failing to recognise DANGER and NOT putting yourself IN Danger......
You are UPPING the 'Danger' modifying your machine to go speeds beyond the 'standards' it was designed to handle....
And more, pushing yourself to ride at speeds and contend with situations ABOVE your competence.....
.... waits for string of expletives, spittle and foam at mouth in denial to stop.....
Sorry YES you ARE riding beyond your competence because your HAZARD PERCEPTION failed at the very first hurdle... 50mph roads See-Danger..... IGNORE danger...... Make it MORE dangerous!
This is NOT the right attitude for a long and accident free career on powered two wheelers!
THINK about it.....
If you don't LIKE being restricted to a 50... DONT ride one!
No-One makes you.
Don't like that stretch of road? DONT ride down it! Go another way?
No one FORCES you down that road!
Riding bikes is all about CONTROL..... and that starts with SELF CONTROL and not letting red-mist rule your reason, or making illogical, half thought out decisions based on pretty illogical 'reasoning'
We LIVE on our wits on two-wheels, and that means making GOOD choices based on SOUND and valid reasoning.......
And you are NOT doing that!
Irrespective of the daft matter that you only need one coppa with a clue to spot you doing over 35mph for 1/4 mile......
SP20 Exceeding speed limit for type of vehicle (excluding goods or passenger vehicles) 3-6 points
Becouse a MOPED is limited to 35mph, irrespective of what the speed-limit posting is for taht bit of road for 'other' types of traffic!
CU20 Causing or likely to cause danger by reason of use of unsuitable vehicle or using a vehicle with parts or accessories (excluding brakes, steering or tyres) in a dangerous condition 3 points
Becouse the vehicle has been ILLEGALLY modified from the standards to which the vehicle must meet under law
IN10 Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks. 6-8 Points
Becouse the vehicle you are riding has been illegally MODIFIED to be a 'motorcycle' and is NOT the vehicle described on the log-book, OR the vehicle for which you have fraudulantly obtained insurance
LC20 Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence 3-6 Points
Because you have only 'Moped' licence entitlement & vehicle you are riding is NOT a 'moped', its a 'motorcycle'
Coppa can take his PICK what to chuck at you...... could charge you with any or all of them..... that's enough points to see you 'Banned' before you even begin, if they want to......
And wop you with hefty fine for each and every one.
Meanwhile, they can seize the vehicle for no insurance. And you would be lammed with teh recovery charges AND insurance charges until you could 'prove' some sort of insurance on it to get it back....
But since its been modified and is other than as described on log book..... you probably wouldn't be ABLE to get it back, becouse you wouldn't be able to insure it until you have returned it to standard or got it re-registered as a motorcycle..... which needs you to HAVE the bike to present for VOSA inspection....
But they would probably crush anyway simply for being other than as described on teh log-book.... and hence a 'Dangerouse Vehicle'.
SO....
Not ONLY are you ignoring the 'Danger' of riding down a road that is probably not a great idea to ride down on a moped, AND at a higher speed that is 'prudent'...
You are ALSO ignoring the glaring 'Dangers' of having your bike taken off you, and crushed without recourse; having your licence taken off you, torn up into shreds and tossed to the breeze, AND lammed with hefty fines, and a 'declarable' set of driving convictions that will keep you in poverty, and on the bus for probably the next five years or more......
That is some pretty good 'Risk-Assessement' kid.....
Oh! Fast cars going past....... I know I'll take ALL these EXTRA risks because I being buffetted by a bit of wind, is a little bit scary!
End of the day, I really dont give a shit what you do... makes little or no odds to me in my monkey-sphere whether you ride, dont ride, ride illegally, or how fast or not.... I have a full licence and big bikes, I can pretty much do as I like and do it legally.
Now, you can take it that I'm a boring old fart; slapping you down because you are a 'kid' and ought to be kept in your place, and greatful you are allowed ANY form motor-vehicle....
OR you can take it as a little bit of GET YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR ARSE and STOP spouting bollox!
Fair enough if you are stupid enough or ignorant enough to take these risks, and justify them as some-how making you 'safer'
Something quite DIFFERENT to be offering the advice encouraging OTHERS to break the law, and risk loosing their life, licence AND bike over, in the misguided belief that your 'half-arsed' reasoning makes some kind of sense! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Mike, you need another project - may i suggest a TANK, something that would be challenging and hard to rob.  ____________________ Jogging on, destination living. |
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