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PostPosted: 11:45 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Restricting a GPZ500 Reply with quote

So I'm about to be let loose on my GPZ after my birthday on Thursday and just wanted some guidance from the forum

It needs restricting down to 33BHP because of my license. However there is no way on earth I am spending 200quid through FI and I know about how the certificate is not a legal requirement.

I've found washers on ebay for £40 that restrict it but still think it's a bit much for a couple of washers.

Is there anywhere else I can get the washers from, or have made for cheaper? Or what about the throttle stop I hear about? How much would I have to restrict the throttle by to get 33?

Thanks for your help
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do the washers imo - throttle stop will affect the bike more.

£40 is steep for washers, but at least you're not blindly paying over the £200. I paid £33 for my kit about 4 years ago (CB500), but then that did include new jets too, and was from Honda. Was just happy that i didn't need to go the FI International route.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To the best of my knowledge you need a certificate to prove the bike is restricted so restricting it yourself might not be an option.

You most certainly do not. Even MCN understand that!

Get 2 x 42mm OD repair washers, drill out the holes to 20mm with a stepped/taper bit, insert, ride, check the fuelling hasn't been mullered and that you can approach an indicated 3 digits on your private road, win.

Oh, hang on, from posts passim, we're looking at 20.5mm.

https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee81/paddy2007dug/GPZ500restricters.jpg
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Rogerborg, saves me forking out 40 quid for a bit of metal. You're really bloody helpful, you know. Shocked

And Moonzoomer I stated that I knew that a certificate wasn't in fact needed. But thanks anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thing, do the washers need to be 1mm thick?
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

for that 40 quid you get a few sheets of proof of restriction. But meh. I paid the £40. Easy nuff to fit.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
for that 40 quid you get a few sheets of proof of restriction. But meh. I paid the £40. Easy nuff to fit.


Yeah but I can't really justify spending that money for a certificate that I don't actually need..
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any GPZ specific forums out there?

If so, maybe you could ask around and see if anybody has some old washers kicking around after removing them.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, I may have a look Smile
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

joshdudeha wrote:
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for that 40 quid you get a few sheets of proof of restriction. But meh. I paid the £40. Easy nuff to fit.


Yeah but I can't really justify spending that money for a certificate that I don't actually need..


I can justify that sort of money for keeping my licence. Imagine if the washers you bodged didn't fit right, and let too much fuel through... Anything over 33bhp ... Sad
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that when my brother restricted his own bike that he could not get insurance without a proper certificate and had to pay the 40-50 quid for the washer, jet and certificate kit otherwise he could not use the bike legally.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
I know that when my brother restricted his own bike that he could not get insurance without a proper certificate and had to pay the 40-50 quid for the washer, jet and certificate kit otherwise he could not use the bike legally.



Mine rang me up and asked if i could prove it was restricted (it wasnt, but i wasnt using it like that either..) and I was just like 'nah. Can't prove nout, it is restricted but I don't have proof'

They were like 'Oh okay that's fine.'

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PostPosted: 19:18 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
I know that when my brother restricted his own bike that he could not get insurance without a proper certificate and had to pay the 40-50 quid for the washer, jet and certificate kit otherwise he could not use the bike legally.


Mine never asked.

I declared it as a mod whilst taking out the insurance. They never asked for proof though. Even when I had my fault accident they haven't asked for proof.

The best proof I've got is a photo of them from when I had to take the carbs off. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 02 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
I know that when my brother restricted his own bike that he could not get insurance without a proper certificate and had to pay the 40-50 quid for the washer, jet and certificate kit otherwise he could not use the bike legally.

Wild guess: he went for the cheapest quote, got stitched up for declaring a "modification", then had to spend another £50 on proving it. Very Happy

Most bike insurers don't even distinguish between A and A<=25kW, so why on earth you'd go out of your way to do anything more than comply with the strict letter of the law is beyond me.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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I know that when my brother restricted his own bike that he could not get insurance without a proper certificate and had to pay the 40-50 quid for the washer, jet and certificate kit otherwise he could not use the bike legally.

Wild guess: he went for the cheapest quote, got stitched up for declaring a "modification", then had to spend another £50 on proving it. Very Happy

Most bike insurers don't even distinguish between A and A<=25kW, so why on earth you'd go out of your way to do anything more than comply with the strict letter of the law is beyond me.


He was complying to the strict letter of the law as far as insurance goes since not declaring any modifications could render his insurance policy invalid in the event of a claim or accident, better safe than sorry and since the modification made no difference in the insurance price given there was little to no point in not being honest and covering your own back. The bike was brand new so paying an extra 40 quid to be 100% legal and covered is a small price to pay in real terms.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He was complying to the strict letter of the law as far as insurance goes since not declaring any modifications could render his insurance policy invalid in the event of a claim or accident, better safe than sorry and since the modification made no difference in the insurance price given there was little to no point in not being honest and covering your own back. The bike was brand new so paying an extra 40 quid to be 100% legal and covered is a small price to pay in real terms.


I would love to see a case where the insurance could escape payout out for a claim when a bike has been restricted and they have not been told. If anything, restricting a bike lowers the risk. I'm not saying don't tell them, I'm just saying I'd like to see them try and not pay for it. In fact, I believe that they're legally obliged to cover you 3rd party only even if you lied through your teeth on the insurance forms and aren't even licenced to ride the bike.

Also, you don't need to pay the 40 quid to be 100% legal. So long as your bike is producing no more than 33.3bhp then you are legal. It doesn't matter if you pay 50p or £500 to make the bike that way.

Whether an insurer refuses to insure you without a certificate is up to them. It is not a legal requirement to have a "proof" of restriction though and some insurers do not ask for any proof either.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
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He was complying to the strict letter of the law as far as insurance goes since not declaring any modifications could render his insurance policy invalid in the event of a claim or accident, better safe than sorry and since the modification made no difference in the insurance price given there was little to no point in not being honest and covering your own back. The bike was brand new so paying an extra 40 quid to be 100% legal and covered is a small price to pay in real terms.


I would love to see a case where the insurance could escape payout out for a claim when a bike has been restricted and they have not been told. If anything, restricting a bike lowers the risk. I'm not saying don't tell them, I'm just saying I'd like to see them try and not pay for it. In fact, I believe that they're legally obliged to cover you 3rd party only even if you lied through your teeth on the insurance forms and aren't even licenced to ride the bike.

Also, you don't need to pay the 40 quid to be 100% legal. So long as your bike is producing no more than 33.3bhp then you are legal. It doesn't matter if you pay 50p or £500 to make the bike that way.

Whether an insurer refuses to insure you without a certificate is up to them. It is not a legal requirement to have a "proof" of restriction though and some insurers do not ask for any proof either.
Its not simply because its a restriction, its a modification which does need to be notified, no different than fitting a rack, panniers or a screen its still a modification. Norwich Union will not rule out paying out a claim even if the tyres and sparkplugs are non standard let alone an engine modification.
"Leading motorcycle insurance underwriter Norwich Union would not rule out rejecting claims over modifications as minor as a non-standard spark plug or tyres."
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/October/october23-30/oct3107insuranceclaimsrefusedbecauseofmodifications/_/R-EPI-96706
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
Its not simply because its a restriction, its a modification which does need to be notified, no different than fitting a rack, panniers or a screen its still a modification. Norwich Union will not rule out paying out a claim even if the tyres and sparkplugs are non standard let alone an engine modification.
"Leading motorcycle insurance underwriter Norwich Union would not rule out rejecting claims over modifications as minor as a non-standard spark plug or tyres."
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/October/october23-30/oct3107insuranceclaimsrefusedbecauseofmodifications/_/R-EPI-96706


I notified my insurance of my restriction; they never asked for proof though.

The one by Norwich Union seems really pedantic though. One question though, how did the insurance find out about those modifications if the bike was stolen? Confused

I would like to see how that would stand up in court though. The modifications do not make the bikes any more attractive to thieves at all, to me that means that the modifications aren't substantial towards the bike being stolen. So long as the rider doesn't try and claim back the costs of the modifications in a payout, it shouldn't matter.

Will note to stay away from Norwich Union though.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
moonzoomer wrote:
Its not simply because its a restriction, its a modification which does need to be notified, no different than fitting a rack, panniers or a screen its still a modification. Norwich Union will not rule out paying out a claim even if the tyres and sparkplugs are non standard let alone an engine modification.
"Leading motorcycle insurance underwriter Norwich Union would not rule out rejecting claims over modifications as minor as a non-standard spark plug or tyres."
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/October/october23-30/oct3107insuranceclaimsrefusedbecauseofmodifications/_/R-EPI-96706


I notified my insurance of my restriction; they never asked for proof though.

The one by Norwich Union seems really pedantic though. One question though, how did the insurance find out about those modifications if the bike was stolen? Confused

I would like to see how that would stand up in court though. The modifications do not make the bikes any more attractive to thieves at all, to me that means that the modifications aren't substantial towards the bike being stolen. So long as the rider doesn't try and claim back the costs of the modifications in a payout, it shouldn't matter.

Will note to stay away from Norwich Union though.
I think its just a ploy by insurance companies to get out of payouts by any means they see fit imo, in my younger brothers case he was playing it by the book since it was his first big bike which he bought brand new, hardly worth the risk over 40 quid considering the value of his bike and gear, you do make a good point if a bike is stolen, how would any tealeaf even know the bike was restricted simply by looking at it.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonzoomer wrote:
Norwich Union will not rule out paying out a claim even if the tyres and sparkplugs are non standard let alone an engine modification.


Lol.

The stock tyres on my bike probably aren't in existence anymore.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're required to disclose material facts. Norwich Union (are they even an underwriter?) can try and reject any claim by the insuree that they like, but there's the Ombudsman and a proper court to go to if you think they're trying on it.

For a GPZ, you'd be looking at TPO insurance anyway, in which case they have a statutory obligation to pay out to 3rd parties, and they can then try to recover it from you. It's just risible to suggest that there's any realistic chance of that if you've reduced the bike's power.

Honestly, this panty-wetting fretting from bikers is just hilarious. If you're that risk averse, what on earth are you doing riding a motorcycle? Eh?
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, where can I get a pair of these washers made? I can't find any on the internet with 1mm thickness Confused
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