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_matt
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: 2 new tyres! Reply with quote

So, got meself new front and back tyres... then it rained...
So, 2 new tyres and torrential rain, aside from the usual "oi be careful for 100 miles" warning, is this gonna be slippery as a hookers undies when i pick it up later?
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, in my experience (albeit limited), yes Laughing Be bloody awful Laughing

Took a GSX1400 for a spin - ended up quite literally - on a brand new set of tyres, when it was 'just' cold, not even wet, and the back stepped out nasty on light throttle first bend I got to.

Had to take my Sprint back on new MPR3's in light rain and didn't take any chances whatsoever, literally crawled it home.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh this first 100 miles or so is gonna all be done below 30 i think lol, more likely below 20 in this weather! good times
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll be fine the 100 miles thing is just covering the arse to the tyre people. I've done it in 10. Just be smooth and progressive. New tyres will only bite you if you are heavy on the throttle or brakes. Riding in a straight line at 30mph for 100 miles will do FA to to scrub them in. Gradulally lean more and more and build up to your pace.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 to Chris's post for scrubbing them in.


But new tyres in the rain probably isn't as bad as you are expecting, my last set were done in the pissing rain. New tyres don't seem to come with as much mould release oil on them nowadays, a pirelli angel I am waiting to fit is practically dry. PR2s I just fitted were a bit oily though.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a new BT45 fitted on the front of my GS.

Unlike the Pilot Sportys I had fitted on the CBR, this tyre actually seemed really sticky rather than slippery.

Took it for about a 60-80 mile ride once it was fitted. It didn't feel bad at all; it was actually very confident inspiring and I had no fears of taking the corners at high speeds. Some corners that I know were taken towards the 70-90 side of things. I did a large majority of the ride on unknown roads though, so my average corner speed was a lot lower because I couldn't see the whole corner or any dangers around the blind corner.

Also did probably 20-30 pillion miles with the new front. Feels much better than my old one already.

I hate cornering on the GS though. I think this bike may always have chicken strips unlike the CBR. Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol don't talk to me about chicken strips, i'm on a yammy XV!

Front tyre was slippery as hell coming back (Bridgestone Exedra L303) but the back was fine (Bridgestone Exedra G524), which makes a change cos it's normally the back that's all over the place in the wet (10mph round a corner in light rain and the back will kick out guaranteed).
Either way did 50 miles on them today and no real problems, thanks for the warnings though, cos that front tyre still isn't happy with me and was a pain when it went slippy (but only when moving off oddly, was much much worse turning from stationary than it was going round corners).
Cheers folks!
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had no choice other than to ride 140 miles on a brand spanking new set of BT023's with a pillion.

I took the bike out fora 5 mile ride before she got on the back and it was pissing down, to at least try and get some oil out of the tyre.

I was accelerating hard banked over and they never let go. Got back after the ride and no oil had come out.

I took it easy, but just had confidence and faith in the tyres, was smooth and stable and never had one slip.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
I had no choice other than to ride 140 miles on a brand spanking new set of BT023's with a pillion.

I took the bike out fora 5 mile ride before she got on the back and it was pissing down, to at least try and get some oil out of the tyre.

I was accelerating hard banked over and they never let go. Got back after the ride and no oil had come out.

I took it easy, but just had confidence and faith in the tyres, was smooth and stable and never had one slip.


Tyres don't have oil in them.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a new pair of bt45's fitted to the cb5 last Friday and I think they're a definite improvement on the 6 year old tyres that were on there before.

One noticeable difference is the front brake, which has given a lot more feel in the lever and the front end doesn't feel like a heavy block of plastic anymore.

Scrubbed them in over the weekend, which was lucky, as everyday this week has either been heavy rain or dense as fuck fog with greasy roads.
Hasn't been the best week of commuting tbh. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last 3 sets of tyres I've had new have been put on when it's literally soaking wet, never had a problem although I do ride very carefully.

Wouldn't worry about it.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically Chris hit the nail on the head. Riding at 30 for 100 miles wont do a thing. Progressive build up of speed and progressively using more throttle and brakes work.

It can be bad in the wet depending on the tyre, get some heat in the tyre and be smooth and progressive with controls and it'll be fine.

As for chicken strips, my 600rr has bigger strips than my 1250, but i ride the RR considerably faster, I ride both with quite a different style though.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

100 miles to run a tyre in ?

there's no set of miles that runs them in, some people have 4000 miles on a tyre, yet the preserving layer (slippery part) is still 100% attached to the outer edges of the tyre because it;s never had a run in with the tarmac

running in a tyre involves removing the thin layer of preservative that is coated on the surface

this can be done in as little as one mile, if that, it just depends what type of corners you have access too
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
Tyres don't have oil in them.


I thought they had oil on when new to protect them from the air and keep them fresh?
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:
garth wrote:
Tyres don't have oil in them.


I thought they had oil on when new to protect them from the air and keep them fresh?


Nah, it's just a silicon-based release agent to let them out of the mould after vulcanising.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:


I thought they had oil on when new to protect them from the air and keep them fresh?


LOL - not oil, just a silicone type preservative / release agent (stops them sticking to the tyre mould)
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
Nah, it's just a silicon-based release agent to let them out of the mould after vulcanising.


Ahh thanks for clearing that up!
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 04 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

is release agent still used?

https://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176572
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 05 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:



I think it varies by manufacturer, and whatever the PR guy fancies plucking out of his arse that morning.

Pirelli claim not to use it on anything other than the sidewalls but the front angel ST I had put on was oily all over whilst a rear I currently have in my garage is pretty much dry on the treaded part. I just stuck a set of PR2s on my bro's bike that were (and still are - hasn't been ridden) oily all over.


Reference:
https://www.sportrider.com/tips/146_0810_how_to_warm_up_new_tires/index.html
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 05 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
t121anf wrote:



I think it varies by manufacturer, and whatever the PR guy fancies plucking out of his arse that morning.

Pirelli claim not to use it on anything other than the sidewalls but the front angel ST I had put on was oily all over whilst a rear I currently have in my garage is pretty much dry on the treaded part. I just stuck a set of PR2s on my bro's bike that were (and still are - hasn't been ridden) oily all over.


Reference:
https://www.sportrider.com/tips/146_0810_how_to_warm_up_new_tires/index.html


BT016's definitely had something one them. That's how I ended up on my arse.

Full throttle + a corner + 0.3 mile old tyres = A Bad time.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 05 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive scrubbed in a new set of Corsas on the racetrack before.

Just took it easy for the first 3 laps then rode as usual.

100 miles is WAY too much, just take it easy for 10-15 and dont get heavy on the brakes.

Most people never lean to the edge of their tyres , which means they are never 'scrubbed in'.

They dont fall off when/if they ever lean that far to use it.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 05 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:

BT016's definitely had something one them. That's how I ended up on my arse.

Full throttle + a corner + 0.3 mile old tyres = A Bad time.


Release agent, I use a rubber safe solvent and clean the tread once the tyre's mounted on the rim before I ride on them if at all possible. Some tyres need several hundred miles to get rid of it if you don't, and the 'chicken strips' can catch you out if not cleaned off...

Your not alone, the chief mech. at Tricentrol Dunstable binned a brand new RS2000 Group 1 Rally car they'd just finished building for a customer because someone fitted the new wheels and tyres, in place of the scrubbed testing set, just before he took it out for the final shakedown run, thankfully the full cage and harness saved him from serious injury, but not the serious piss taking nor working the entire weekend for nothing rebuilding it into a brand-new bodyshell...
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 05 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers lads, that article was great.
and yeh, the front tyre is a bit slippy when going slowly but other than that i've had no probs at all with this set.
Just got my mrs tyres changed today as well (for the same set as ive got) and same deal there, fronts a little slippy, but back is spot on. Must be something with how Bridgestone manufacture them I guess
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