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Jayy
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Got nicked last week, ticket arrived in the post today Reply with quote

Last week, was out riding with a friend when a copper "allegedly" saw me commit a traffic offense.

Bloody excellent photoshop illustration of events:-

https://i48.tinypic.com/2d8nktx.jpg

Note the blue car just after the zebra crossing, I photoshopped that in to show the exact position of where the copper said it happened. Green line is the path I rode, then filtered past the car, when the traffic copper (who was on foot on the right) spun round and allegedly saw me doing it.

There were loads more cars on the road and we were filtering in and out of them but that's the one that matters as that's what he says he saw. Problem was, I didn't see the copper at all and I don't remember doing that. About 2 miles down the road, my mate overtook me and signalled to pull over and told me what happened. He said the copper was waving his hand, trying to get me to stop but I just rode off.

At this point, we were heading back anyway, so I went home for a shower. After getting out the shower, I look out the window and there's a traffic car parked outside my house with a copper stood next to my bike on his radio.

Cut a long story short, he was saying he could report me for:

Riding without due care and attention
Failing to stop for a police officer
Overtaking a vehicle on a pedestrian crossing

I explained I didn't see him and he said I looked right at him but couldn't see my eyes because of the blacked out visor. I explained I would have been doing a life saver as I have no mirrors on the bike.

I got a ticket through the post today via recorded delivery. Just basically says he's only reporting me for " Overtaking moving vehicle pedestrian crossing limits ".

It says I need to wait for further instruction as to what they're going to do but what is likely to happen here?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:35 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note the bit I've highlighted and underlined from the regulations. You were on the exit side of the crossing.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/made

Prohibition against vehicles overtaking at crossings

24.—(1) Whilst any motor vehicle (in this regulation called “the approaching vehicle”) or any part of it is within the limits of a controlled area and is proceeding towards the crossing, the driver of the vehicle shall not cause it or any part of it—


(a)to pass ahead of the foremost part of any other motor vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or
(b)to pass ahead of the foremost part of a vehicle which is stationary for the purpose of complying with regulation 23, 25 or 26.
(2) In paragraph (1)—


(a)the reference to a motor vehicle in sub-paragraph (a) is, in a case where more than one motor vehicle is proceeding in the same direction as the approaching vehicle in a controlled area, a reference to the motor vehicle nearest to the crossing; and
(b)the reference to a stationary vehicle is, in a case where more than one vehicle is stationary in a controlled area for the purpose of complying with regulation 23, 25 or 26, a reference to the stationary vehicle nearest the crossing.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the zig-zags ment that you could not overtake the lead vehicle on the approach to the crossing? so once past the crossing it's fair game?

But if the copper remembers the overtake starting before the crossing (which he will, even if it didn't) then it's as above Mad

Edit beaten to it, fekin slow old computer didn't update...
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Re: Got nicked last week, ticket arrived in the post today Reply with quote

Were you coming from the top or bottom?

If from the bottom, my thoughts are that you are past the crossing and not overtaking the lead vehicle.
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Donny, if I was following the green path from the top, no wonder he nicked me as I would have been riding on the wrong side of the road in to on coming traffic Very Happy

From bottom upwards.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

S59 at worst. Sounds like it was a grass with a badge, and not a real policeman.

Basically, they can't prove shit, and they know it. I wouldn't even fill out any form they ask you to. Did you admit it? I hope not.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I said to my mate when we pulled over, sure it wasn't a PCSO? It was a traffic copper, the same one who turned up at my house.

I didn't admit to the offences, I only admitted to riding the bike, i.e. I dispute what he's saying but I was riding the bike at the time.

I also recorded the conversation on my phone with the voice recorder between me and copper.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fucking deny it. Dent all of it. Tell them he's got it wrong. He was probably on his own (why cops travel in pairs because I'm pretty sure his word on its own isnt worth that much)

If that shit came in my post I'd laugh and pin it on the wall..

Wankers.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was on his own and he was on foot.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 25 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The officer is mistaken, you know you didn't overtake the car until after you passed the junction as you wouldn't have felt safe to do so.... Wink
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You photoshopped that blue car in, complete with shadow?

I'm impressed
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the blue blob?
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PostPosted: 02:01 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

skylineonfire wrote:
You photoshopped that blue car in, complete with shadow?

I'm impressed


I grabbed it from further down the road!

https://goo.gl/maps/j2me

Blue/red blob is the copper.
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PostPosted: 02:42 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX Jay wrote:
skylineonfire wrote:
You photoshopped that blue car in, complete with shadow?

I'm impressed


I grabbed it from further down the road!

https://goo.gl/maps/j2me

Blue/red blob is the copper.


https://oi47.tinypic.com/dyrmg0.jpg

Sure beats my attempts!
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PostPosted: 06:11 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
Fucking deny it. Dent all of it. Tell them he's got it wrong. He was probably on his own (why cops travel in pairs because I'm pretty sure his word on its own isnt worth that much)

If that shit came in my post I'd laugh and pin it on the wall..

Wankers.


It goes to court, who carries more respect and more likely to be believed....
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PostPosted: 06:57 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
Fucking deny it. Dent all of it. Tell them he's got it wrong. He was probably on his own (why cops travel in pairs because I'm pretty sure his word on its own isnt worth that much)

If that shit came in my post I'd laugh and pin it on the wall..

Wankers.


TC Ruled out the idea that two cops were needed for their word to be taken seriously.
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
Fucking deny it. Dent all of it. Tell them he's got it wrong. He was probably on his own (why cops travel in pairs because I'm pretty sure his word on its own isnt worth that much)


Wankers.



I used to think that, then got a ban on the word of one copper who was never within a quarter mile of me.



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PostPosted: 10:26 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would get over to https://forums.pepipoo.com/ for some better advice than is being dished out on this thread thus far. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
mysterious_rider wrote:
Fucking deny it. Dent all of it. Tell them he's got it wrong. He was probably on his own (why cops travel in pairs because I'm pretty sure his word on its own isnt worth that much)

If that shit came in my post I'd laugh and pin it on the wall..

Wankers.


It goes to court, who carries more respect and more likely to be believed....



These days. Laughing Did you really want me to answer that?

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PostPosted: 10:28 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX Jay wrote:



Blue/red blob is the copper.


I thought that was the red blob.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
mysterious_rider wrote:
Fucking deny it. Dent all of it. Tell them he's got it wrong. He was probably on his own (why cops travel in pairs because I'm pretty sure his word on its own isnt worth that much)

If that shit came in my post I'd laugh and pin it on the wall..

Wankers.


TC Ruled out the idea that two cops were needed for their word to be taken seriously.


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PostPosted: 17:05 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no illusions that a coppers word on his own is worth more than mine but I did have someone else with me as well, so in effect, it would be 2 v 1. Whether that counts for anything is another matter.

It depends what they offer me, if it's a fine I will just pay it and be done with it, I don't give a fuck about the money but 3 points is something else. I don't have any points on my license but I do have a 30 day riding ban for speeding declared which hiked the cost of my insurance right up.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZX Jay wrote:


Blue/red blob is the copper.


If that's to scale, then he is one massive, massive fat cunt.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 26 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was trying to portray sirens using red and blue. I thought my diagram was above average Sad
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