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Connorburton
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Which bike is best for college? Reply with quote

Right i know similar questions have been asked before but i need an answer and advice thats specific to me, im starting college on the 25th September however its 30 miles away, the problem is im in Lincolnshire and its not very flat, lots of hills. Ill be 17 on the 6th September and iv been riding a Ludix moped for the past year and have 1 years NCB, So basicly im looking for a bike to do a 30 mile round trip 3 days a week,
I like the 2008 onwards CBR125R but i just dont know if it will have the power to take me up hills ( The roads speed limit is 60mph and im 5 11" 70kg)
so i was thinking of taking my full test and getting an SV650s restricted to 33bph? but it costs more money and been at college i have around £2000 to get somonething and any tests?

Just looking for advice and opinons to what i should do? ill consider most bikes but i much prefer bikes will full or half farings.

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PostPosted: 16:04 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

125s are much of a muchness really regarding running costs & performance. 'sports 125s' tend to be heavy to insure. They're all going to struggle to hold a real 60mph on steep hills.

Two grand to get a full licence & bike is do-able as you probably have most of the other biking gear already. Downside is you won't get the 100+ mpg economy of a 125.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

All 125's (possibly with the exception of cruiser 125's) will cope with the hills just fine, as long as you're aware of the lesser power on offer. Given that you're 17 in september, I'd book your theory test NOW, and have that cleared before your birthday, as you can do that at any time, then as you've been riding a moped for a year, do a transitional course onto a geared bike after you turn 17. The choice is then yours- grab a 125 and bung around on it for a while, read (and learn!) your highway code, practise the mod 1 on a car park with cones, and book your own tests for just over £100, or do a course that will get you your restricted license. Either way, do it as soon as humanly possible before the changes in January, that will royally screw your chances of getting anything fun until you're 24.

Hope that helps.
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Connorburton
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaneda wrote:
Either way, do it as soon as humanly possible before the changes in January, that will royally screw your chances of getting anything fun until you're 24.


What changes are being made in ln January?
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a YBR125 or similar commuter; some lessons & tests and a 'big-bike' soon as you are qualified.
Need not be SV650, but a pretty good choice, alternatives are GS500, or GPz500, CB500 or ER5.
For something slightly more sporty, GPz500 is popular choice, on tighter budget.
But personally, I'd pick an ER5 on a restricted licence, as there are more newer examples around for bargain prices, same motor, and 'simpler' lower maintenance chassis, so more likely to get a bike in better condition for your money.
NOT that there is much between them when 33bhp restricted, though even those small differences are greater than between the 125's!
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, I'm going to give you some advice now, and it is valuable because a few years ago I was in exactly your position. So listen up because I didn't take the time to type this for nothing! Laughing

GET YOUR TEST DONE.

There is absolutely no point staying on a CBT when you can pay probably £600 and get your test done, do it ASAP because the rules are changing soon to make it harder.

Have you got gear? I wouldn't say you need bottoms because I used to wear jeans, just don't fucking crash, but get a decent leather Jacket if you haven't already got one, I have an RST one for about £100 which is absolutely great. Secondly, a nice pair of winter gloves. Don't bother with summer ones, it never gets too hot that winter ones are uncomfortable. Make sure they're warm, comfortable, well made, and waterproof. £40 should do you fine.

Finally, get a pair of boots. I bought A pair of white Alpinestars that look the tits, for about £100, but you can get RST ones for cheaper, get black if you prefer, you get less people staring at you in black Laughing I'm telling you to get boots for two reasons. One is that obviously, they protect the fuck out of your feet and ankles, the thing I would be worried most about never being able to use again apart from stupid things like dying or whole limbs. Secondly, if you wear nice trainers on a bike, changing gear etc., they get ruined. Put your trainers in a rucksack with your books, leave all your bike gear in an office of your form tutor or something, that's what I did. I had a good relationship with my form tutor, so she always made sure it was looked after.

Onto bikes. Don't get an SV650, at your age the insurance price will dick you, and you're better off learning how to ride properly on an upright, forgiving bike. If you want the power, get a Hornet, otherwise I would say get a GS500 (I picked mine up for £600), or an ER500 or CB500. The benifit of these bikes are they have great MPG and cost around £350-400 to insure. The SV will cost you about 600+. You won't have to worry about the pain in the arse of restricting a 500, and I think naked bikes look quite cool. Beleive me, I completely understand you want a faired bike, so did I at your age, but I dropped my 500 on both sides multiple times, and I'm not a small guy (6 foot 5, 90kg) due to general n00bishness.

Do a year on your 500, love it, fuck all will go wrong with it, and you won't damage it if you crash it.

Then, after you have another year NCB, a years good experience and are a year older, get a fully faired bike like I did, when you have a bit more money, and be able to ride it properly. This means you can skip out the half-faired half-arsed SV650 completely, and get on the sports bikes. I got a CBR600F, which was great.

Any questions? Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Connorburton wrote:
Kaneda wrote:
Either way, do it as soon as humanly possible before the changes in January, that will royally screw your chances of getting anything fun until you're 24.


What changes are being made in ln January?
Thanks



A change of such magnificent skullduggery that only an EU bureaucrat could have contrived. Basically it's staggering the points in which you can get access to certain amounts of power of bikes by age. In other words, only by the age of 24 will you be able to take a test to ride any bike.

More info here https://www.bmf.co.uk/upload/documents/1196679553_3rd_european_directive.pdf

I'm sure Rogerborg will be along soon to provide this in more digestable content than the BMF.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

3rd Directive Licence Laws / Impending Licence Changes
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, I'm out, there's no time for that any more. Wink

Just book your theory now, right now, get any Japanese branded 125 - commuter styled by choice - and get your tests done on it ASAP. Don't practice, don't dither, just book mod 1 and get it done.

Kaneda wrote:
All 125's (possibly with the exception of cruiser 125's) will cope with the hills just fine

I'd disagree, playing gear-footsie to try and keep it above 45 while a queue of rage cagers builds up behind you gets old really quickly.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the test passed as soon as you can and get a cheap naked 400 / 500 for your first year. You will most likely drop and/or crash it and plastic fairings are damn expensive.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

at your age, the most important thing is a bit of poon.

and L plates will not get you poon, pass your test and poon will come.

























poon, just one more time.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not clunge anymore?
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's all the same to me, got a pulse and i've got it made.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:


Iv just read it, so does that mean you have to pass an A1 test to ride a 125cc? or is it you have to pass the A1 test to ride 125cc without L-plates and you can take a passenger ect?

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PostPosted: 17:24 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I'd disagree, playing gear-footsie to try and keep it above 45 while a queue of rage cagers builds up behind you gets old really quickly.


I was going to add that the "gear footsie" at 45mph is all part of life's rich tapestry, and an ideal experience for a young lad fresh off a moped to enjoy, along with dealing with the pressure of a queue of angry cagers behind you.

*takes old git hat off*

Roger's right (not unusual) it does get boring fecking quickly.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You inspired me to create a useful thread Laughing

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=251885&highlight=
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Connorburton wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:


Iv just read it, so does that mean you have to pass an A1 test to ride a 125cc? or is it you have to pass the A1 test to ride 125cc without L-plates and you can take a passenger ect?

thanks


We dont know.... following the EU 'law' to the letter; we'd NOT be able to have ANY bike on teh road unsupervised until we had a full licence.

If we keep unsupervised L-Plating it will be on the 'promice' of a local exemption.... which we have been given... but is no garantee....

Basically; we PRESUME that from jan you'll still be able to do a CBT and ride on L's,

then when you pass A1 you can dump the L's and carry a pillion..... until the 2 year qualifying period is cranked up and you might do another test, or an upgrade course, depending on what they ACTUALLY do, when they get round to it, on an A2 bike, to get an A2 licence, that will let you have A2 bike for two years, when you'll be eligible to upgrade, again via test or course or 'something' to an unrestricted A group.

BUT? UK Gove haven't issued the drafts of actual legislation they are supposed to, so No-ONE knows for sure...
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 02 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
125s are much of a muchness really regarding running costs & performance. 'sports 125s' tend to be heavy to insure. They're all going to struggle to hold a real 60mph on steep hills.


My cbr125r is £10 more to insure than my brothers ybr Laughing Not exactly steep.

I would choose a Honda CG if anything. A cbr125 is good and will have the power to get you up hills but you will hate it on long rides and getting a top box on it is a pain in the arse. They are good bikes, but when commuting on mine i wish i bought a CG...
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaneda wrote:
All 125's (possibly with the exception of cruiser 125's) will cope with the hills just fine, as long as you're aware of the lesser power on offer.


No they won't. Long steep hill on a 125 you'll struggle to hold 50mph.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Kaneda wrote:
All 125's (possibly with the exception of cruiser 125's) will cope with the hills just fine, as long as you're aware of the lesser power on offer.


No they won't. Long steep hill on a 125 you'll struggle to hold 50mph.


Yeah..... rather subjective that... how longs long, how steeps steep, and if such a hill brings a 125's velocity down to 50, whats it doing to the velocity of other traffic?

I work on the ballast truck principle..... performance of a 'typical' 125 is in the 65mph region, which is just a tad more than HGV's are supposed to be governed at.

Means that MOST of the time, you can travel at LEAST as fast as 'most' traffic.... which will be going only as fast as the slowest vehicle in a queue, wont it!

Most 125's will therfore have 'enough' oomph to stay with A-Road speed traffic, as long as they dont expect to get into the game with leap-frogging BMW's and such.

And come hills..... slowest coach will be a heavy laden ballast truck, or a bus, or similar, and whatever speed you may bleed will be LESS than that; hence you will STILL keep up with traffic.

Only thing you wont necessarily have, is the 'oomph' for a swift-safe over-take in such circumstances.... so DON'T.

This is part of the learning process of a 125, and the limited performance demanding to get the most out of it you have to THINK more, and plan where and when to utilise what you got to eek the most out of it..... like driving a ballast truck, rather than a BMW.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 03 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike is right. Any 125 will have enough power to keep up with most traffic. Just dont imagine that your going to be racing up steep hills, because it wont happen and definetly dont try overtake Laughing
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