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Bendy
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: 'drive' a bike Reply with quote

Where does this increasingly common term come from?

Is it a 'thing' or are people just stupid?

Maybe kids don't grow up with bicycles any more, I never went out for a 'drive' on my Raleigh Bluebell.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: 'drive' a bike Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
Where does this increasingly common term come from?

Is it a 'thing' or are people just stupid?

Maybe kids don't grow up with bicycles any more, I never went out for a 'drive' on my Raleigh Bluebell.


America.

And yes, people are just stupid.

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PostPosted: 08:31 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: 'drive' a bike Reply with quote

Whilst I don't use it myself, and ride is more accurate, I quite frankly don't give a toss.



drive
verb /drīv/ 

1. Operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:36 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Accuracy is everything.

Without it we will descend into a world of 'draws', 'brought' and being 'formally' known as.
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: 'drive' a bike Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Whilst I don't use it myself, and ride is more accurate, I quite frankly don't give a toss.



drive
verb /drīv/ 

1. Operate and control the direction and speed of a motor vehicle


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PostPosted: 08:40 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is interesting, here we've got different language and people also use term: drive to describe what a person does on a motorcycle.

Basically I'd say, you ride on something, you drive something. So if you lose the 'on' then it's easily interchangeable. Smile
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: 'drive' a bike Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
...are people just stupid?...

I'd go with just lazy.
Too lazy to use the correct grammar and the correct vocabulary.
It gets by because people know what you mean without it being correct.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got a diesel car I still used to say "I need petrol", I had a diesel for 3 years and don't think I ever said or thought "I need diesel", it was always petrol. Saying drive instead of ride is another old habit of mine, I make the effort to correct myself on this forum but amongst friends/in my own thoughts I still refer to myself as going out for a drive on the bike. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drive is a correct term for riding a motorcycle based on the dictionary definition, but it was never intended to be, and is grammatically incorrect.

Drive a carriage, ride a horse.

A car is a horseless carriage, a motorcycle a steel horse.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone want to come for a ride in my car?

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PostPosted: 08:48 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

pendulum wrote:
When I got a diesel car I still used to say "I need petrol", I had a diesel for 3 years and don't think I ever said or thought "I need diesel", it was always petrol. Saying drive instead of ride is another old habit of mine, I make the effort to correct myself on this forum but amongst friends/in my own thoughts I still refer to myself as going out for a drive on the bike. Wink


I get that and as far as petrol/diesel, I do that myself - I had petrol vehicles for years before I had a diesel. It became a catch-all term for 'I need to go to the filling station and buy fuel'.

I also 'hoover' with my Vax.

The 'drive a bike' thing I find odd because almost everyone rides a bicycle long before they drive anything. So you'd think the habit of using the term would be formed from a young age.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: 'drive' a bike Reply with quote

map wrote:
Bendy wrote:
...are people just stupid?...

I'd go with just lazy.
Too lazy to use the correct grammar and the correct vocabulary.
It gets by because people know what you mean without it being correct.


It also sounds like, when you go for a ride, then it means that you're not going to do anything. But if you drive something, then it sounds like you're the boss and people quite say that motorcycle rider just sits on the bike and doesn't do anything at all Confused Smile

Also If you watch any news (here), they always say driver of the motorcycle, no one ever said rider on tv. Well, to be fair sports programs do use the proper word.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say fuel, unless I specifically refer to petrol or diesel.


I'd be more concerned about someone saying they were going to put "petrol" in my car than I would if they wanted to "drive" my bike Laughing .
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the term 'ride' for motorcycling and 'drive' for cars/vans etc...

However, 'ride' implies that you have a lesser kind of control over the bike than 'drive' does. I can understand 'riding' a horse for example, as the horse has its own brain.

Not only this, the government has the 'driving standards agency' and 'driving license'. It is not the 'driving and riding standards agency' or a 'riding license'...

I dunno, interesting topic. I'll always say 'ride my bike' instead of 'drive' but I'm not sure if it is totally inaccurate.
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it really fucking matter?
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Does anyone want to come for a ride in my car?

That would be at the local dogging site then? Wink

On topic the definition of ride is interesting...
Dictionary.com wrote:
ride [rahyd]
   rode or ( Archaic ) rid; rid·den or ( Archaic ) rid; rid·ing; noun
verb (used without object)
1.
to sit on and manage a horse or other animal in motion; be carried on the back of an animal.
2.
to be borne along on or in a vehicle or other kind of conveyance.
3.
to move or float on the water: the surfboarders riding on the crests of the waves.
4.
to move along in any way; be carried or supported: He is riding along on his friend's success. Distress is riding among the people.
5.
to have a specified character for riding purposes: The car rides smoothly.


So if you can be borne along on or in a vehicle you can ride a car. I have used the term "Going for a car ride" before.


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PostPosted: 09:05 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does seem an Americanism....
But lets have a ponder on this one....

Do you have a 'Riding Licence'?

No, so what it it? Its a DRIVING licence, with entitlement to 'Ride' a motorbike.

As a kid, ever have your dad ask when he went out "Want to come for a ride in the car?"

So if you can 'Ride' in a car, why cant you 'Drive' on a motorbike?

Lets go back to origin of terms.

What is 'Driving'?

You DROVE herds of live-stock; sheep, cattle, pigs or geese.

"I'm going to drive the Cow to Market & trade it for some magic beans"

When you got to the Market / Fair....

"I had a RIDE on the Swing Boat"

Implication, is to DRIVE is to exert control on a journey, to RIDE is to be an intern 'passenger' on a vehicle.....

So to SOME degree, who-ever has their hands on the controls is probably more correctly 'Driving' whether its a car or a motorbike.... while a passenger is riding, because they aren't at the controls.

I do find it rather annoying that people describe piloting a bike as 'Driving'.... and it probably is, ignorance, laziness, americanism, rather than anything else, though inadvertently 'more' correct use of terminology.....

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THAT is another... go back to our primal nature as hunter-gatherers though?
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
Does it really fucking matter?


Does anything posted on this forum really fucking matter?
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you've got driving licence, which allows you to drive a motorized vehicle.

So, you drive a motorcycle, but you ride on it. If you use 'ride' as a noun, then you can have it (ride) in a car and it's still correct.

Do you see the difference?

It's just my theory, I don't know you're language that well so I can't make any conclusions here, but it pretty much makes sense to me.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
.....

Now you ought to see this new kettle I brough Rolling Eyes
........


That's an own goal if I've ever seen one.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding comes from the horses, the cowboys term for moving cattle while on horseback was driving. They started using driving as a term for using a horse to work, they then dicided that to drive a horse you needed a license but to just ride it you didn't. When the motor vechile was introduced the term drive (which was now in common use) was adapted to it. As a bike is a modern day horse the term stands, being used for pleasure it is riding, if used for moving cattle its driving xD


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PostPosted: 09:33 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
Does it really fucking matter?


It does, and I'll tell you why.

I categorise anyone who says 'drive a bike' on this forum as a moron.

Simple eh?
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 08 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
Does it really fucking matter?


Well, whether you like it or not, there are plenty of people who will make judgments about you, based on how you express yourself.

Taking into account the comments in this thread, there seem to be plenty of folk who would surmise that you are lazy and uneducated if you use the term "drive" were "ride" is the, generally, accepted definition.
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