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Efes123
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PostPosted: 05:40 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: A Miracle from the DSA Reply with quote

Just got my weekly newsletter, sad I know, and they want to know what people think about the new test regulation. Well, some of them;

1) reducing the minimum engine power for A2 from 25kW to 20kW
2) increasing the minimum power for A from 40kW to 50kW
3) introducing a minimum mass weight ratio of 180kg for A

The above changes are supposed to come into effect from December 2013

EDIT: for Marki's sharp eyes Embarassed
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PostPosted: 05:50 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: A Miracle from the DSA Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
2) increasing the minimum power for A from 40kW to 5kW


Should that be 50?
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Le shrug. The vast majority of A2 and A3 (are the DSA calling it A? The legislation says A3) candidates will go via a training school, I can't think of any realistic choice of 395cc+ test bikes that make under 25kW or 595cc+ bikes that make 35.1 - 49.9kW or mass less than 180kg.

It seems like more pointless fiddling for the sake of it. That's what Brussels does. That's all that they do.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: A Miracle from the DSA Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:

The above changes are supposed to come into effect from December 2013

I thought it was from January 2013, if it's december 2013 as you say, it gives people a little more time to get the test done before the changes.
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Efes123
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: A Miracle from the DSA Reply with quote

asharin wrote:
I thought it was from January 2013, if it's december 2013 as you say, it gives people a little more time to get the test done before the changes.


No, these are additional changes to the Jan 2013 ones.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think that is the same as this thread only shorter.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: A Miracle from the DSA Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
asharin wrote:
I thought it was from January 2013, if it's december 2013 as you say, it gives people a little more time to get the test done before the changes.

No, these are additional changes to the Jan 2013 ones.

Exactly, the new regime isn't even in place yet, and those oxygen thieves in Brussels are already dicking around with it.

It's a pretty good indication that they're not done with biking yet, not by a long shot.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Le shrug. The vast majority of A2 and A3 (are the DSA calling it A? The legislation says A3) candidates will go via a training school, I can't think of any realistic choice of 395cc+ test bikes that make under 25kW or 595cc+ bikes that make 35.1 - 49.9kW or mass less than 180kg.

It seems like more pointless fiddling for the sake of it. That's what Brussels does. That's all that they do.


Thought I'd be cheeky and suggest the Enfield 500 for the 395+cc, <25kw! Be interesting to see if there's suddenly a rash of orders from schools for it! Methinks not
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, actually the Lifan Thunder 400 (sleeved down Virago 535 copybike) is just under 25kW. Thinking

It will be (a bit) interesting to see how schools handle the A2 category. New NC700S or G650GS bikes, keep some old 500 twins going and restrict or 'restrict' them a tiny bit, or just rock up on their new ER-6ns and Gladiuses[*] and say "Yeah, it's making 35kW today, whatever." Very Happy

[*] Yes, I know it's Gladii, but language always changes for the gooder.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised that the EU haven't stated make model and engine size for each type of test to be taken. Then they can chage what they like for such machines.

I think I need to write to my MEP and tell him my idea.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
I'm surprised that the EU haven't stated make model and engine size for each type of test to be taken.

They don't need to, the DSA gold platers are busily at work doing it: the Brough Superior List.

Read the lulz at the top:

DSA Spackers wrote:
For machines not on this list or where an individual machine has been restricted to comply with the minimum test vehicle requirements it will be accepted for test providing certified proof of compliance or restriction is available for the examiner. This must be a certificate or on headed paper from an official source such as a main dealer, official importer or recognised specialist in restricting vehicles. Dyno certificates are not acceptable.


Utter clowns. Who do they imagine "certifies" restriction? Whom do they "recognise"?

Actually, FOI ahoy, clown-fellows.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 21 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
I'm surprised that the EU haven't stated make model and engine size for each type of test to be taken. Then they can chage what they like for such machines.

I think I need to write to my MEP and tell him my idea.


The EU have made such provisions, to be introduced at a later date. Tests and training will only be permitted on a bike that displays a circular badge that is black in colour with a silver trim. Within the circular badge another smaller circle with silver trim must be displayed. The smaller circle must be divided in to quarters by silver trim. The quarters must be blue and white alternately. The badge must also prominently display the fact that the bike is being ridden by someone with Beginner Motorcycle Wish.
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