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| Teflon-Mike |
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 Teflon-Mike tl;dr

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 Posted: 10:56 - 23 Aug 2012 Post subject: IL-Rant! |
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I have just spotted another post where some-one has reffered to a modern IL4 or 'In-Line' 4.
NO!
Its a STRAIGHT-Four, as in the cylinders are bored along a common centre line. But mounted ACCROSS-THE-FRAME its a Transverse 4 NOT an 'In-Line' or IL4!
THIS is an IN-LINE-Four!
https://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/n/nimbussporth_Ernst.jpg
The cylinders are IN-LINE with wheels, NOT ''transverse' to them
This is a Danish Nimbuis of the 1950's.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Henderson-1930.jpg
Here's another, a 1930's Henderson
This is a little quirk on the concept; the Sunbeam
https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/2547479317_bf55d74156.jpg
It's a british paralel twin of the paralell twin era, but where most, like the Bonaville were 'transverse' parallel twins, THIS is an 'IN-LINE' twin, the crank 'in-line' with the vehicle axis.
Brings us to the Triumph Rocket 3
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/258178/images/Triumph%20Rocket%20III%20MN%20(12).jpg
three pots mounted IN-LINE with the wheels
As oposed to
https://www.realclassic.co.uk/bikepix/jota08062001.jpg
Laverda Jota, a TRANSVERSE tripple!
SO... lets get terminology CLEAR HERE!
https://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/honda-cb-750-four/honda-cb-750-four-07.jpg
THIS is an 'Accross the Frame FOUR' or Transverse-4
https://www.alltimers.nl/Smalltimers/Beelden/Indian%204%20cil/Indian_4-cil_1928_smalltime.jpg
THIS is an IN-LINE 4
Now lets do Vees!
https://motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/moto_morini_35.jpg
This is an 'in-line' V-Twin.... the V's splayed in-line whith the wheels.
https://www.realclassic.co.uk/bikepix/guzziv7classic09080303.jpg
This is a 'transverse' V-Twin the V splayed accross the bikes center-line
https://fauxkauai.com/WebPost1730.jpg
This is an 'in-line' V4
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Honda_ST1100_engine_closeup.jpg
This is a transverse V4 (Pan Euro)
HOWEVER, there is anomolu in V-Engines.
The 'in-line' V is a 'transverse' engine, the transverse V an 'in-line' engine!
Becouse the splay of the V is at 90 degrees to the crank-shaft orientation; so installed in the frame, the 'in-line' V has a transverse crank, the transverse V an in-line crank.
So the Pan-Euro, with its V-Four engine is legitimately an 'In-Line 4', though it most decidedly ISN'T a 'straight four'.
R1, CBR600, ZXR750, GSXR1100..... STRAIGHT FOURS, ACROSS THE FRAME FOURS..... they are NOT 'IL4's!
Neither crank nor cylinders are 'in-line' with the frigging wheels!
Are we clear now! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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 P.addy Red Rocket
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It is an in line 4, 4 in a line. 4 pistons in a line.
If I drew a line, it would go across all the pistons.
Its an in line 4.
"Straight 4" would sound shit. Straight 6 sounds epic.
In line 4.
IL4.
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Thats a nice inline 4 in the first pic. ____________________ GOOD GAME BODYGUARD: https://i.imgur.com/8WePGgf.jpg
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TL;DR - Old men ranting  ____________________ 09' Versys 650 | 07' FJR1300A |
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Hundred percent agree with Paddy, there are 4 cylinders in a line, one after the other, what you seem to be arguing or ranting about is the way that IL4 engine is mounted.
| Quote: | The inline-four engine or straight-four engine is an internal combustion engine with all four cylinders mounted in a straight line, or plane along the crankcase. The single bank of cylinders may be oriented in either a vertical or an inclined plane with all the pistons driving a common crankshaft. Where it is inclined, it is sometimes called a slant-four. In a specification chart or when an abbreviation is used, an inline-four engine is listed either as I4 or L4 (for longitudinal, to avoid confusion between the digit 1 and the letter I). |
https://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/engine-inline-4.gif
Still an inline 4 whether mounted transverse, slanted, backwards, upside down, like saying a V-twin mounted sideways is a transverse twin....  ____________________ Stinkwheel: You have no right to free speech
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Mere semantics!
Why is a parallel twin, mounted along the axis of the frame called a tandem twin? Surely it should be called an In Line twin!  ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!"  |
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Well they're obviously wrong. Mike just hasn't edumacted them yet. |
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After re-reading it, the issue is the nomenclature of transverse vs. IL...
Who cares?
Write an angry letter to the japanese.
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Have to agree that the engine can be described as an inline 4. as opposed to a V twin, V4, etc.
Then the mounting in the bike can be described as transverse, parallel, whatever.
However, I've heard old BMW K series described as a flat four It's an inline 4 engine mounted horizontally (i.e. flat).
Ok, after more thought on this - does it really, really, matter?  ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 67 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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