CBR600F to Honda H100?

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It's time to cut my losses with my CBR, a combination of thefts, commuting, and a "it needed it yesterday" rather than "It needs it soon" approach to maintenance has left it in a sorry state, if I get £300 for it on ebay I will be surprised, but it will cost more than that to get it into a confidence inspiring bike again. I'm sure the engine would keep on going to the end of time, but really it needs a new clutch, a new gearbox, a new chain, a new CCT...... the list goes on. Realistically I was going to buy myself a second hand engine on twenty-something,000 miles, but that will cost me £300 minimum and be a good 2 days work assuming no hiccoughs. Then I would still need to tax it and buy a new chain. And hope that the new engine wasn't buggered. On top of that my new flat doesn't really give me anywhere to fix it up even if I did buy the bits I need, so as much as it pains me to say it, my trusty CBR has to go.

I really don't want to be bikeless, plus the thought of loosing the £400 I paid out for insurance just last month sickens me slightly, so I've been eyeing up cheap replacements.

Just down the road from me is a hairdresser who has an old Honda H100 which he wheels in and out of his shop each day, last time I got my hair cut he mentioned that he was considering selling it, less than 3000 miles he says, and he only wants £300 for it. Looks clean to me from a distance, and comes with a top box. He's in his late 60's though, and hasn't ridden it for a while. Plus experience has taught me that getting a 20 year old bike that has been standing to run reliably is much easier said than done. Having said that it's just a wee little smoker, right? Spark, air and fuel, and the jobs a good-un?

So my question is, it's pay-day on Friday, I have the day off and the weekend too, so three days to make it a runner for as close as possible to the price that I will get for the CBR. Would you take the risk?

If not what would you do? Keep throwing money at the CBR? Go bikeless and loose the insurance money?

TL;DR: CBR is fubar, swap it for a H100 that has been sitting for a while?
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[garth]

If your cbr is that badgered, why not.

[c_dug]

I'm just in two minds as to how cheap and reliable a 20 year old 2 stroke can be, that said, no honda that I've ridden has ever left me stranded at the side of the road.

In my mind a H100 is essentially a 2 stroke CG125, would that be a fair comparison?
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[Aff]

[deleted111]

I'd go for it if I were you, but I'm not.

Pernig has a H100 (albeit in bits in my garage) and for a while he ran that thing as his only transport. It took no end of abuse, including a fairly substantial trip 2 up with the infamous Warped as pillion.

I wouldn't be worried about the step down in power from your CBR, but I'd be more concerned at keeping on the road, or more to the point, on 2 wheels.

I rode Pernig's H100 and they're a barrel of laughs in a whole different sense to machines more powerful.

Give it a go, for £300, if you spend £150 getting it roadworthy and decide it's not for you, (and it's in good nick) you'd probably get around £450 if you decide to sell it.

[WULFSTAN]

id say keep throwing money at your cbr as that's what am doing with mine
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[f1fan111]

get the H100, i have been swapping between a CBR600F and a CG125 big difference with speed but because the CG is so light and i am used to it just as fun to ride

[cb1rocket]

i have gone from H100 > big bikes > H100 again, mine is the S2 model, so avoid the H100A they are awful!

I have several of these H100S2 and I have rebuilt several of these engines with new bearings for under £100, so if it goes bang then its so easy to fix! They are a good bike, do 65mph, (60 more like) and return 60mpg when thrash on the motorway or 75mpg when cruising A roads and town. Piston and rings usually last 15k miles between intervals. I have done close to 50k miles on em! (between 3 of em).

My highest milage one has done in excess of 45k miles, and the engine has only just been rebuilt with the same con rod, crank bearing and only needing the piston and crankcase bearings replaced.
And to top it off it was a dog of a bike when I got it! But I got it 10 years ago in a poor state and its just starting to see a fresh lease of life again

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Thanks for all of the advice, got a possible replacement CBR but it's looking unlikely, in which case it will be the H100.

It is on a K plate making it a 1993 bike, would that make it one of the good ones or not?
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[chris-red]

[UnspeedySam]

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https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.5535,0.218997&spn=0.00543,0.014355&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.553338,0.218931&panoid=lvTgFySTrpLt1UHyeV5HJQ&cbp=12,132.38,,1,5.31

This one?
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[cb1rocket]

thats an H100S2 (SJ) model, so one of the best they made!, The SG model is ok too ('86 - '88) same as the SJ just different paint scheme.

One word of warning, the centre stand pin is prone to seizing up and wearing away the pivot holes and leading to an MoT failure. It attaches to the rear brake lever and excessive movement gives a failure. So take apart, paint the centre stand and regrease the pivot shaftand put back together.


If its in good nick, keep it covered in ACF-50 or similar. The chrome work isn't the best.

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[cb1rocket]

yes just dont get the 'S' model, it has a bastard contact point breaker system, like all the other old bikes.

SG and SJ model are identical expect the paint scheme, and they are both CDI ignition. The H100A is also CDI, why honda went back to points during the 'S' model I don't know - weird

The 'S' model is done on the cheap, even has a plastic rear mudguard and no grab rail and bits of bent metal for the indicator brackets!

And I even have an S model, its so bad I broke it up!

Edit: the 'S' model is known as the H100SD, its just written as H100S on the side panel

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[truslack]

Nowt wrong with an SD, as long as you know how to set points.

Top speed of about 60 on flat, though wemoto now stock larger front sprockets which are a big improvement.

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[UnspeedySam]

This thread is becoming a font of information about H100s! It's making me think about my poor RXS sitting in the greenhouse.

I'll tell you what...buy it and I'll ride up to Essex for the sole purpose of thrashing you in a race on my RXS! I have about an hours work required to get it an MOT now...but other stuff with my house and TRX keep getting in the way.

Or do the sensible thing and realise that something like a GPZ500 will probably be a much less frustrating downgrade. I'm all for 100cc bikes as shopping/trips into town/backup bikes but there is no way I'd ever run one as my only transport.
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[c_dug]

That's the one in the google link, it's needed for a 45 mile a day commute from one side of London to the other and back again. The journey includes some A road riding but it's mostly 50mph and average speed cameras so I'm not too worried about it.

I would consider a big bike but I need cheap, reliable and economical, in my experience of cheap big bikes I've not found this is a common combination. A GPZ isn't a bad suggestion, I had major electrical issues with my last one though which tarred my opinion of them slightly.
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[UnspeedySam]

[c_dug]

I'm not so sure, topped out the CBR once or twice

Not bothered about the speed though, it's a given to me that a 100cc bike will be comparatively slow, even a restricted 50cc would be preferable to the train though!
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[chris-red]

Maybe it's my London ridding style but I something I could ride through London on a 25 year old 100cc bike, I'd need somethign with decent brakes!
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[c_dug]

Reckon they'd be that bad?
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[truslack]

I've ridden a lot of H100s, and a well set up one can pull stoppies quite easily, if the front brake is wank, a new cable and adjusting it up tends to sort it.
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