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DMCpro
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Bent mot? Reply with quote

Anyone know anyone who does them?
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want a bender to do your MOT?

There's easier ways of coming out you know.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you have to do is fold it, bent mot in one easy step.

Or just simply make it safe so that you or the person you sell it to isn't likely to get killed on it and pay £25 for a real one
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
Or just simply make it safe so that you or the person you sell it to isn't likely to get killed on it and pay £25 for a real one


Now there's a revolutionary concept.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol at the though that somebody would share that kind of info on an open public forum. There are plenty of places that will do them, whether they will do them for you or not is another matter.

In all likelyhood if you have to ask where to get one dome, then you don't know the tester well enough for them to do it!
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What will it fail on if tested correctly?


There are things which my car has failed on and been rectified by the garage, most I accepted and am happy to have sorted, but there are a few which were ridiculous.



Amongst others, some of the reasons my cars have failed on were:

- spare tyre not inflated (having NEVER used it on an 8yr old car, the air had got out). SOLUTION, remove from car, then retest. No requirement to have a spare tyre, but if there is one it has to be legal.

- sticker or obstruction in Zone A of windscreen (magic tree hanging from the mirror). SOLUTION, remove it then retest.

- ABS light on (the traction control and ABS ran off the same fuse, but the TC was awful and would cut the power at the worst times, such as pulling out of a junction or onto a roundabout, so just removed the fuse). Could not get a reason WHY this was a fail, but solution was to fit a fuse and retest.

- EML light due to a problematic wastegate on the turbo. Contacted VOSA as well as other MOT testers and they told me it should not have failed, garage refused to accept this until I got the VOSA person on the phone for me. Still needed a retest once the CV joint gaiter was changed though.

- Rear wiper. I had removed the wiper arm/blade, wiper motor, and plugged the hole with a rubber grommet. There was no longer a rear wiper fitted, rather than one thats fitted and not working. They failed it (on that as well as other things). Once I told them I'd be taking the car somewhere else for repairs and retest losing them over £1000 they said they'd pass it with it like that, so the work was done on other stuff, and the service, timing chain and clutch, passed the retest.


All the ones I mentioned above are technicalities and have nothing to do with the car being safe and roadworthy or not.

Theres a lot less things for a bike to fail on though, and the things it could fail on could me more catastrophic too
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know of a flexible tester who seems to just look at it and say that its fine.

Has passed the last 3 things I've given to him...knowing full well there were issues that I would sort later anyway..but time had run out as it were.

I'm taking all of my bits there Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
There are things which my car has failed on...

If I were you I would change your garage. Amongst other things, for one the spare wheel does not feature at all in any MOT requirement, whether it is present or not, and secondly the rear wiper is the same - it is not part of an MOT test and it cannot fail on it!
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience with cars, you get fair MOT testers and Picky ones.

The picky MOT testers tend to work for garages doing cheap or discount MOT's, because they know that if the car fails then they will most likely get the work.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was not going to drink this weekend . but i can see myself slipping into a bender ..... Shocked .
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
What will it fail on if tested correctly?


There are things which my car has failed on and been rectified by the garage, most I accepted and am happy to have sorted, but there are a few which were ridiculous.



Amongst others, some of the reasons my cars have failed on were:

- spare tyre not inflated (having NEVER used it on an 8yr old car, the air had got out). SOLUTION, remove from car, then retest. No requirement to have a spare tyre, but if there is one it has to be legal.

- sticker or obstruction in Zone A of windscreen (magic tree hanging from the mirror). SOLUTION, remove it then retest.

- ABS light on (the traction control and ABS ran off the same fuse, but the TC was awful and would cut the power at the worst times, such as pulling out of a junction or onto a roundabout, so just removed the fuse). Could not get a reason WHY this was a fail, but solution was to fit a fuse and retest.

- EML light due to a problematic wastegate on the turbo. Contacted VOSA as well as other MOT testers and they told me it should not have failed, garage refused to accept this until I got the VOSA person on the phone for me. Still needed a retest once the CV joint gaiter was changed though.

- Rear wiper. I had removed the wiper arm/blade, wiper motor, and plugged the hole with a rubber grommet. There was no longer a rear wiper fitted, rather than one thats fitted and not working. They failed it (on that as well as other things). Once I told them I'd be taking the car somewhere else for repairs and retest losing them over £1000 they said they'd pass it with it like that, so the work was done on other stuff, and the service, timing chain and clutch, passed the retest.


All the ones I mentioned above are technicalities and have nothing to do with the car being safe and roadworthy or not.

Theres a lot less things for a bike to fail on though, and the things it could fail on could me more catastrophic too


Where the fuck have you been taking your car?!
The only one thats a real failure is the abs one lol (magic tree isnt that big)
Sounds like they dont know fuck all about whats actually in the mot...
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
Ben-B wrote:
There are things which my car has failed on...

If I were you I would change your garage. Amongst other things, for one the spare wheel does not feature at all in any MOT requirement, whether it is present or not, and secondly the rear wiper is the same - it is not part of an MOT test and it cannot fail on it!


I have, I've been living in 3 different cities over the last 5 years up at uni, back home and off where I was working, so had MOTs at different places and they all seem to be picky.

Its never failed just on one of those things, there's been other things which do warrant a justified failure, but they've still included these things on the failure side rather than the advisory sheet.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:


Where the fuck have you been taking your car?!
The only one thats a real failure is the abs one lol (magic tree isnt that big)
Sounds like they dont know fuck all about whats actually in the mot...


Took them to places local to my house or work or uni, because I had to leave it there and walk. Checked on local forums for good feedback on work carried out and price, but never heard anything mentioned about such pedantics.

Magic tree technically it was because it was an obstruction in that particular zone in the wiper sweep arc, and a big one (I think you're allowed up to the size of a 5p coin or something if its on the actual windscreen). But for the sake of removing it they could have just ignored it.

What's the reason and category for the ABS one though? I couldn't get them an answer that made sense, as the brakes still worked, just not the ABS.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The obstruction one is true, but most testers just ignore it. If i get mr taxi man with his prayer beads and mat hanging off his rear view mirror i just normally remove it and sling it on the seat. But for a magic tree, thats harsh.
The abs one is straight forward, if the lights on it fails. Unless you have removed the whole system (pump)
Method of Inspection

Reason for rejection
This inspection applies to all systems whether original equipment, ‘optional’ or after-market.

Electronic Stability Control Systems are commonly referred to as ESC, but may also be known as ESP or some other acronym.

The dashboard warning lamp for these systems may take various forms and a vehicle should only be failed when the tester is certain that an illuminated lamp indicates an ESC malfunction. This may require reference to the owner’s handbook if one is available.

When testing vehicles that have ABS fitted the road wheels should not be allowed to rotate clear of the standing surface with the ignition on as this can cause the ABS system to indicate a fault which may require specialist equipment to rectify.

If an ABS or ESC system has been intentionally rendered inoperative, the whole system must be removed. However, this does not apply to sensor rings or other ABS components which are an integral part of another component e.g. brake disc or drive shaft.

1.
If the vehicle is fitted with an ABS and/or ESC system, check that the relevant warning lamp(s):
a.
is fitted

b.
illuminates

c.
does not indicate a fault

d.
in the case of ABS only, follows the correct sequence of operation.

Note: The sequence varies with the type of system. Refer to VSI, manufacturers or other reliable data, e.g. purpose produced charts, books, etc.

2.
Check the presence and condition of all visible ABS and ESC system components.

3.
Check the condition of all visible ABS and ESC system wiring.

4.
Check all ABS and ESC system components for any inappropriate repair or modification.

5.
Check the condition and operation of the switch (if fitted) to turn the ESC system on and off.

1.
A warning lamp:
a.
is missing

b.
does not illuminate

c.
indicates a fault

d.
for ABS does not follow the correct sequence of operation.

2.
An ABS or ESC system component obviously missing or excessively damaged.

3.
ABS or ESC system wiring excessively damaged.

4.
An ABS or ESC system component inappropriately repaired or modified.

5.
An ESC system switch insecure or faulty.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would anyone who has the benefit of a "friendly" MOT test centre grass them up on a public forum - "that's right, yeah, just head over to ABC Mot Centre, they'll sort you out! My handlebar and brakes fell off my cbr, they just passed it for me".

That'll last.

I know that if I had one, and I'm not saying i do Wink , I'd keep it schtum
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 02 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragstaar wrote:
ABC Mot Centre


I swear virtually every town I've visited has an MOT centre with a name like this!
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice to the OP.
Just fix the bike properly and get it to pass the MOT, the alternative doesn't bear thinking about...If it won't pass the basic safety checks of an MOT and you aren't willing to fix it do everyone a favour and stay off the road.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
The obstruction one is true, but most testers just ignore it. If i get mr taxi man with his prayer beads and mat hanging off his rear view mirror i just normally remove it and sling it on the seat. But for a magic tree, thats harsh.
The abs one is straight forward, if the lights on it fails. Unless you have removed the whole system (pump)


Ah now I understand, the garage seemed to put it under an obscure category, can't remember exactly what, but I couldn't see how the failure they put it under was correct and they didn't justify it anyway, but now it makes sense, they just put it under the wrong thing I think.

Should point out that the magic tree was removed for the retest once they had done some other work, like change the front wishbone... so it wasn't like I had to pay for a new retest, and it wasn't just retested because of the magic tree.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dracon wrote:
dragstaar wrote:
ABC Mot Centre


I swear virtually every town I've visited has an MOT centre with a name like this!


Me too - I know of two, both run by someone called "Blind Alan" too!
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience most don't give a shit about loud cans or little plates they only fail if it is unsafe which IMO is fair enough.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
In my experience most don't give a shit about loud cans or little plates they only fail if it is unsafe which IMO is fair enough.


I never had a problem with that on my Corrado VR. exhaust wasnt loud if you put your fingers in your ears, and stick a sock over the emissions probe, you'll not go over the limit despite the cat being removed.

Man i miss that car, was so much fun Sad
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO OP wants a dodgy MOT and previously wanted dodge insurance documents.

OP has also claimed to have a snap on tool kit and know how to use it.

Is OP not to bright, a member of the forces of Justice or just a potato? Confused
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