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GSTEEL32
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Ducati 916 and 748 Owners, Opinions appreciated......... Reply with quote

Firstly, why did you choose one over the other ?. What sort of state is bike in after all these years ?, do you use it for summer or all year round...

I think the time has come to sell the 2002 900ss. It's a truly excellent bike, sounds great and handles superbly. But, in the back of my mind, I've always fancied stepping up 30 - 50 bhp.

My current bike does 50 miles round trip a day from south london to Canary Wharf so the bikes got to be able to commute one day in all weathers, and scratch around over the weekend.

I do my own servicing, so the cost isn't an issue. But these bikes are now getting on a bit, so how are you finding them ?should I consider a 998 etc ? I'm looking to spend about 4k.

This same question was asked on bcf 4 years ago, but a lot can happen to a model once it passes a certain age... thanks in advance.....
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked into them a while back and from what I've read is the 748 is very revvy and slightly underpowered by today's standards. 916's are demanding quite high prices now and 998's are just crazy priced.

Obviously the usual applies: The newer the better and service history is a must. Check if the rockers have been replaced/how many times.

I've seen loads on the Ducati forum with over 40/50k miles and some used regularly for commuting.

Having said that I would go for a 749/999 as they are more solid and cheaper to buy. Plus they are also one of my favourites Mr. Green

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PostPosted: 21:58 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've ridden a 916 SPS great bike but fuck commuting on it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, 998's are silly money. 996's are a little more reasonable though. Know a fella with a 996SPS. Gorgeous bike, but those are very silly money.

Got to say though, whilst I understand that Ducatis are something a little bit "special", they're not (in my eyes) so special as to warrant the retardo price tags they carry. Especially as they seem to have a reputation for being uncomfortable, unforgiving and unreliable.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

current 1098s owner and ex 748 owner.....

50 mile round trip will cost you a FORTUNE in maintenance

rockers (16 of them, £80 each when the plating wears off), shims, belts, tensioners and then the usual maitrnance on top of that, cluches don't last long in the cirty, horrible riding posistion for slow riding

if you are going to buy one, buy a scooer to commute on and keep it for weekends

it'll only piss you off cleaning it every week and getting all the corroding salt off in winter !!
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

also don't believe all this unreliable crap, i did 25k on mine with only the rectifier needing to be changed !

it's the engine internals that cost an arm and a leg to run !

my first service cost over £1,150 and that did not include anything like tyres / brake pads / sprockets - just fluids and engine internals (rockers and shims) and belts !
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 03 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite fancy an ST2/3/4. Can't say I really know anything about them but they seem cheap (ST2 particularly, presumably as it has an older motor) and would probably be more comfy for a commute than a full-on sports machine.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 04 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

.Chris. wrote:
I quite fancy an ST2/3/4. Can't say I really know anything about them but they seem cheap (ST2 particularly, presumably as it has an older motor) and would probably be more comfy for a commute than a full-on sports machine.


Both the ST2/4 use the same engine as in a Monster so not so highly tuned. ST2 is 2v air cooled and ST4 4v water cooled (sleeved down 996 engine I think). Both will be much cheaper to maintain and don't have rocker issues

Yeah the 748/916 etc are known to be very uncomfortable. In you price range you can also get a Hypermotard ( but the tank range is crap Laughing) or new shape Monster or even an S4R (998 engined Monster)
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 04 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er, yeah, 748 = rockers made of tin foil.

Go for a testastretta later 749.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 04 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Ducati 916 and 748 Owners, Opinions appreciated......... Reply with quote

GSTEEL32 wrote:
Firstly, why did you choose one over the other ?. What sort of state is bike in after all these years ?, do you use it for summer or all year round...

My current bike does 50 miles round trip a day from south london to Canary Wharf so the bikes got to be able to commute one day in all weathers, and scratch around over the weekend.

I do my own servicing


I've had my 916 for 3 years now, chose it over the 748 as I've always fancied the 916, iconic, but also that I wanted something completely different to my CBR.

The 748 probably make a better road bike than the 916 due to getting the power on, my 916 struggles to sit at 30 let alone commuting on it!

I wouldn't like to be commuting on one, not a comfortable position to be start stop etc.

To date, I've had no problems with mine except the sidestand bolts vibrating out because there was no loctite on them.

Servicing...does that include the belts you can doevery 2 years/6000 miles?

If not, at a Ducati dealer it's still sub £200 for it.

Great bike and you'll love riding it, but wouldn't recommend for commute, especially all weathers!
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 04 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As people have hinted at, you may be better off with an ST4s. According to Wikipedia -
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In spite of the smaller intakes, the ST4s actually made slightly more power and torque than the 996 Super-Bike due to the mostly straight-through design of the ST's exhaust, compared to the under-seat exhaust of the Super-Bike


115bhp and 98nm of torque, or go 2005 - and you get 119bhp and 103nm.

All in a comfy chassis with luggage options. Although admittedly not one of Ducati's finest looking bikes....

Pat (Howling terror) on here has an ST2, might be worth asking him his opinion on it.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 05 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

rac3r wrote:

Both the ST2/4 use the same engine as in a Monster so not so highly tuned. ST2 is 2v air cooled and ST4 4v water cooled (sleeved down 996 engine I think). Both will be much cheaper to maintain and don't have rocker issues


The ST2 is watercooled. The ST4 has the 916 engine (with slight differences to the rear head to clear the suspension rocker) and suffers the same rocker problems as the rest of the older eight valve non testasretta engines.

I've got a plastic bag full of rockers that came out of mine!!

The ST4S has the 996 engine (also + rocker problems).

The 996R has the 998 Testastretta engine which is a good reliable unit but unfortunately is still rather expensive but if you want that style of bike then its the one to go for (or the 998)
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 05 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockhopper wrote:


The ST2 is watercooled. The ST4 has the 916 engine (with slight differences to the rear head to clear the suspension rocker) and suffers the same rocker problems as the rest of the older eight valve non testasretta engines.

I've got a plastic bag full of rockers that came out of mine!!

The ST4S has the 996 engine (also + rocker problems).

The 996R has the 998 Testastretta engine which is a good reliable unit but unfortunately is still rather expensive but if you want that style of bike then its the one to go for (or the 998)


Ah I thought the ST2 was air cooled. Also it's strange because the Monster S4 uses the 916 engine (same version as the ST4 I think) bit they don't suffer from the rocker issues
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 06 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even a Ducati main dealer was convinced the ST2 in their showroom was aircooled untill I asked him what the plastic coolant header tank was for Smile

Check out the Monster forums, the S4 does have the rocker problem, infact I've even heard of a couple of two valve motors suffering as well!

The issue is that rocker inspection isn't covered under the standard Ducati service schedule so main dealers or other garages with no Ducati experience will never look at them untill they are so worn that they damage the cam shaft and the correct clearance can't be achieved come valve adjustment time. Bike that don't do many miles or never visit an indi don't get them looked at.

Ducati have changed the part number of the closing rocker 17 times which means they have changed the design 17 times and still not totally cured the problem! Clean oil and spot on valve clearances are the answer from my experience. The 'stretta engines have an additional oil feed pipe directly into the head which seems to have done the job.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 06 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember asking the exact question about the rocker problem on the Monster forum and the general answer was they don't really suffer from it but obviously I'm sure some people have suffered from the issue. I guess it's just not as widespread as the issues on the superbike
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 06 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had a 916 and now own an RSVR. Preference lies with the Aprilia over everything on the Ducati.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 06 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philly46 wrote:
Had a 916 and now own an RSVR. Preference lies with the Aprilia over everything on the Ducati.


and interestingly i would go the other way.

916 is slower, less grunty, more expensive and more stress and maintenance, yet i never liked the handling of the Mille, the side stand, the ride experience or much about it really.

Reliability on the mille was in my case not good, failed sprag resulting in cracked cases.

That said my 916 has been rebuilt using new cases and alot of other stuff too.

I think the 916 is more involving to ride and handles much better too IMO, and no matter what twin you have, unless it's a Ducati it's just no cigar Wink
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 06 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get one of these and be done with it!

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PostPosted: 23:08 - 06 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

rac3r wrote:


Am I the only one that thinks the front end of the 999 is very ugly?

Much prefer the 916, 998 or 1098.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 07 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

colicabcadam wrote:
also don't believe all this unreliable crap, i did 25k on mine with only the rectifier needing to be changed !

it's the engine internals that cost an arm and a leg to run !

my first service cost over £1,150 and that did not include anything like tyres / brake pads / sprockets - just fluids and engine internals (rockers and shims) and belts !


Blimey. I'd hate to see an unreliable one.

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PostPosted: 20:56 - 07 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 916 is over 40k and i aint killed it yet. Just done 1500 miles to germany and back and it didnt miss a beat.
If your handy with a set of spanners,a bag of tools and can do a bit of wiring i wouldnt even bother with main dealer for servicing tbh...esp with the older bikes.
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