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PostPosted: 20:24 - 07 Sep 2012    Post subject: Suzuki GP100 with breathing problems !!! Reply with quote

Good evening Ladies and Gents, I gotta little problem................
I've recently returned to the Biking fold but I'm now having trouble with my little 2 smoke commuter.
Problem is... With all the air filter side of the carb assembled, the bike when being riden won't rev past 5500 rpm above 2nd gear. I've stripped the carb numerous times and it's been clean every time. Same with the tank filter, the fuel feed line from the tank, the tap and the air filter is clean. The bike starts with no fuss every morning 1st kick and smoke clears soon after. After quarter mile the bike starts hesitating and then fails to rev out. I've tried it withe the fuel cap undone also with the baffles out (which I've cleaned out too).
So today I went to see the local Suzuki dealer and spoke to a guy whom used to work on them back in the day, and he pointed me to a breather off the carb. He said if it was bloke it would choke up and not rev out. So off I toddled to give it a go.... No not blocked so I thought I'd try it with the carb cover plate off, she went like stink ;0) So I just removed the air filter and refitted the carb cover plate, and she was just as before, gasping and not reving out. So this time I removed the rubber elbow between the air box and the engine case, and still she wouldn't rev out, although she was slightly better with top revs coming in at about 6500 rpm. So I removed the carb cover plate again and she was off, like a 98cc rocket ;0)
WHAT'S WRONG PLEASE???? Why won't she breath through the filter?
If you've read this far, thank you, you must have been very bored ;0)
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Asthmatic GP100 Reply with quote

Anyone?? Embarassed
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean by carb. cover plate? The crankcase cover on the right hand side of the engine?

So it runs fine with that off but not with it on?

Could it be pinching the fuel line/carb drain hose under the cover or restricting the movement of the choke, throttle cable or oil pump mechanism?

It's a slightly odd layout with it being crankcase induction and disc valve, a picture with the cover removed might be helpful because I certainly can't remember the exact layout.

Has it ever run properly since you've had it?
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
Can you space the post out a bit. Its genuinely making my head hurt trying to read it!!


Promise I'll try Wink
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
What do you mean by carb. cover plate? The crankcase cover on the right hand side of the engine?

So it runs fine with that off but not with it on?

Could it be pinching the fuel line/carb drain hose under the cover or restricting the movement of the choke, throttle cable or oil pump mechanism?

It's a slightly odd layout with it being crankcase induction and disc valve, a picture with the cover removed might be helpful because I certainly can't remember the exact layout.

Has it ever run properly since you've had it?



Yes that's the one, the carb cover plate/ right hand crank case. Nothing pinching but I think it's a little odd that that the fuel line, oil line and breather, all go through the airway in the crank case. Surely that would restrict the flow of air between the air box and the carb ??!!

Here's the photo anyway. It did ride well.... once and then started this palarva, the old owner offered me my money back, but she's in otherwise such good shape I told him not to worry about it!
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

2smoker wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
What do you mean by carb. cover plate? The crankcase cover on the right hand side of the engine?

So it runs fine with that off but not with it on?

Could it be pinching the fuel line/carb drain hose under the cover or restricting the movement of the choke, throttle cable or oil pump mechanism?

It's a slightly odd layout with it being crankcase induction and disc valve, a picture with the cover removed might be helpful because I certainly can't remember the exact layout.

Has it ever run properly since you've had it?



Yes that's the one, the carb cover plate/ right hand crank case. Nothing pinching but I think it's a little odd that that the fuel line, oil line and breather, all go through the airway in the crank case. Surely that would restrict the flow of air between the air box and the carb ??!!

Here's the photo anyway. It did ride well.... once and then started this palarva, the old owner offered me my money back, but she's in otherwise such good shape I told him not to worry about it!

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PostPosted: 18:16 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. There is normally a paper gasket round that cover plate (apparently suzuki call it an inspection cap). Is it missing making the cover sit closer to the carb inlet than it ought to?

I think this is unlikely to be causing a problem but worth a shot and is free to do, you could cut one out of a cornflakes packet.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all I would do the following -

1. Get a Haynes manual for it. Mine came with one and it was a valuable piece of literature for these kind of situations, such as when I had to do a top end rebuild when the piston rings blew.

2. Make sure that the airbox is standard and that the air filter isn't causing any blockages.

3. Make sure that all the settings on the carb are set to the standard settings. If the airbox and filter are fine, it may be case of tweaking the needle settings on the carb.

Try these first and let us know if anything changes or improves.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

FretGrinder wrote:

3. Make sure that all the settings on the carb are set to the standard settings. If the airbox and filter are fine, it may be case of tweaking the needle settings on the carb.


If it was running fine before, I'd suggest you don't do this.

Carb needles don't move by themselves. If they were in the right place before, they are in the right place now.

Although returning the mixture and idle screw to facrtory settings isn't a bad idea providing you make a note of the position they were in initially so you can put them back if it makes things worse.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Ok. There is normally a paper gasket round that cover plate (apparently suzuki call it an inspection cap). Is it missing making the cover sit closer to the carb inlet than it ought to?

I think this is unlikely to be causing a problem but worth a shot and is free to do, you could cut one out of a cornflakes packet.


Yep, the gasket is there, but looking at how close the "inspection cap" is, you could be barking up the right tree ;0) I'm going to mess about with it again tomorrow and see what I can do.

Thanks for your time, and yes the "Old Haynes book of lies" has been ordered.

I'll let you know how I get on.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 08 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

FretGrinder wrote:
First of all I would do the following -

1. Get a Haynes manual for it. Mine came with one and it was a valuable piece of literature for these kind of situations, such as when I had to do a top end rebuild when the piston rings blew.

2. Make sure that the airbox is standard and that the air filter isn't causing any blockages.

3. Make sure that all the settings on the carb are set to the standard settings. If the airbox and filter are fine, it may be case of tweaking the needle settings on the carb.

Try these first and let us know if anything changes or improves.


Yep, all standard, nothing blocked.

The bike was going well the first time I rode it, so I don't know how the settings could change, but I'll have a good look again.

Haynes now on order, I would have got one straight away if I'd know it was going to play up on the second day!!! ;0)

Will let you know how I get on tomorrow, thanks for your time.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

2smoker wrote:
FretGrinder wrote:
First of all I would do the following -

1. Get a Haynes manual for it. Mine came with one and it was a valuable piece of literature for these kind of situations, such as when I had to do a top end rebuild when the piston rings blew.

2. Make sure that the airbox is standard and that the air filter isn't causing any blockages.

3. Make sure that all the settings on the carb are set to the standard settings. If the airbox and filter are fine, it may be case of tweaking the needle settings on the carb.

Try these first and let us know if anything changes or improves.


Yep, all standard, nothing blocked.

The bike was going well the first time I rode it, so I don't know how the settings could change, but I'll have a good look again.

Haynes now on order, I would have got one straight away if I'd know it was going to play up on the second day!!! ;0)

Will let you know how I get on tomorrow, thanks for your time.



Well, I can conclusively state "I don't know!" All taken apart and reassembled, still the same.

I'm just going to wait until I get the Haynes book and compare the photo's. There must be a reason why the carb is so close to the cover.

So thanks for you help and I'll post again when I've had another go.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 07 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is an old post - but I have the same problem with my GP100. It won't run properly unless the carb cover is removed.

Are you still out there??

Did you get to the bottom of it??


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