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HondaRebel125
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

1. Work asked me and fellow Biker co-worker to move our bikes as they needed space in the parking lot, went outside and there were 8 spaces and no one else turned up, they hounded us and kept pressing, I told them to fuck off and if they kept harassing me I would have my union take action for discrimination due to mode of transport.

My mate ended up caving and moving his bike, they pretty much threatened his job and knew he needed the money.

2. Refusal to serve bikers at cafes, police telling you to move from the shore front, people totally lying and refusing to accept that most bikers deaths are directly attributable to reckless driving by bad car drivers.

3. Bikers have to get a re-stricter kit at a certain age, a new car driver in his teens can go and buy a Porsche and slam into anyone at 190mph.

4. Mass public opinion that it is OK to have the opinion that these laws and unfair regulations should be brought down on bikers at expense of their personal liberty, then claim with a calm voice, I have the right to my opinion, not acknowledging that it is not just an opinion if your taking away another persons right to do something.


Anyway sorry for this rant, I am sure it is something you all know but it makes me sick, especially when my own family members can share such bigoted views of bikers despite the fact most men in my family are bloody bikers.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:
3. Bikers have to get a re-stricter kit at a certain age, a new car driver in his teens can go and buy a Porsche and slam into anyone at 190mph.

Anyway sorry for this rant, I am sure it is something you all know but it makes me sick, especially when my own family members can share such bigoted views of bikers despite the fact most men in my family are bloody bikers.


Not defending the law at all as this is annoying to me especially now 2013 directive is coming however this is mainly there because unless you have inherited a large chunk or your family is quite wealthy then you aren't going to be able to get a Porsche or as fast car.

Although you can still get a decent enough car and whack it into kids if reckless.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
HondaRebel125 wrote:
3. Bikers have to get a re-stricter kit at a certain age, a new car driver in his teens can go and buy a Porsche and slam into anyone at 190mph.

Anyway sorry for this rant, I am sure it is something you all know but it makes me sick, especially when my own family members can share such bigoted views of bikers despite the fact most men in my family are bloody bikers.


Not defending the law at all as this is annoying to me especially now 2013 directive is coming however this is mainly there because unless you have inherited a large chunk or your family is quite wealthy then you aren't going to be able to get a Porsche or as fast car.

Although you can still get a decent enough car and whack it into kids if reckless.


Yeah the porsche thing was just making a point matey, you can get a cheap nippy car straight off the bat and no one is fucking with you as long as it is on four wheels..
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just be glad you weren't around when everyone hated bikers in the late 70's & early 80's.

No bikers, no crash helmets signs outside pubs was quite normal.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Just be glad you weren't around when everyone hated bikers in the late 70's & early 80's.

No bikers, no crash helmets signs outside pubs was quite normal.

Yeah my uncle used to joke about Brighton being like country clubs in America, just replace no Jews and no Irish with no bikers, no dogs.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

1. Awww, diddums. Get a job somewhere else where they have a different parking policy?

2. Never had any of the issues you mention.
Got anything to back up the 'bikers death' claim?

3. An incredibly small number of under 21 year olds can afford to buy and insure a porsche that can easily hit 190mph. Actually, same goes for 30 year olds.
Any 17 year old willing to make a bit of effort can buy and insure a bike that can do about that.

Public opinion is massively biased against many activities. Just the way tabloid politics works.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

G wrote:
1. Awww, diddums. Get a job somewhere else where they have a different parking policy?

2. Never had any of the issues you mention.
Got anything to back up the 'bikers death' claim?

3. An incredibly small number of under 21 year olds can afford to buy and insure a porsche that can easily hit 190mph. Actually, same goes for 30 year olds.
Any 17 year old willing to make a bit of effort can buy and insure a bike that can do about that.

Public opinion is massively biased against many activities. Just the way tabloid politics works.


What bike did uncle tom ride?

The attitude of if yo don't like it leave is moronic, how about people just don't act like cunts?
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most statistics of people Killed and Seriously Injured in motorcycle accidents point to single vehicle accidents, IE where no car is involved.

Sorry.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Most statistics of people Killed and Seriously Injured in motorcycle accidents point to single vehicle accidents, IE where no car is involved.

Sorry.


Well my auntie has been knocked off her bike by a golf, my dad has been hit twice, once by a dude pulling out not checking for bikes and the other time by a car overtaking and trying to cut back in at speed and clipping him.

My uncle was knocked off abroad by a van that resulted in a broken bike and coming home early.

the only person I know who came off a bike on their own was my cousin and it was because he was being an idiot. So in the instances of crashes I have personally known from bikers, nearly everyone was from a car/van being reckless.

Anyway the point was that there should be equality in the law and bikers should have the same rights and vehicle choice as a car driver.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:
1. Work asked me and fellow Biker co-worker to move our bikes as they needed space in the parking lot, went outside and there were 8 spaces and no one else turned up, they hounded us and kept pressing, I told them to fuck off and if they kept harassing me I would have my union take action for discrimination due to mode of transport.

My mate ended up caving and moving his bike, they pretty much threatened his job and knew he needed the money.

2. Refusal to serve bikers at cafes, police telling you to move from the shore front, people totally lying and refusing to accept that most bikers deaths are directly attributable to reckless driving by bad car drivers.

3. Bikers have to get a re-stricter kit at a certain age, a new car driver in his teens can go and buy a Porsche and slam into anyone at 190mph.

4. Mass public opinion that it is OK to have the opinion that these laws and unfair regulations should be brought down on bikers at expense of their personal liberty, then claim with a calm voice, I have the right to my opinion, not acknowledging that it is not just an opinion if your taking away another persons right to do something.


Anyway sorry for this rant, I am sure it is something you all know but it makes me sick, especially when my own family members can share such bigoted views of bikers despite the fact most men in my family are bloody bikers.


1) Car park, not parking lot...

2) Beach not shore front....

3) Restrictor not re-stricter.....

4) Not really sure what you're trying to say..

I hate the way young bikers feel the need to use unnecessary americanisms in their daily speech... Ban the lot of them I say Wink
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:

Anyway the point was that there should be equality in the law and bikers should have the same rights and vehicle choice as a car driver.

No thanks.
I ride bikes because I get massively more freedom.
I can filter, I can (out of London) park in all sorts of places others can't for less/no money.
I pay a lot less road tax, no congestion charge.

Oh and it sounds like your family needs to start learning some defensive driving skills Razz.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
HondaRebel125 wrote:

Anyway the point was that there should be equality in the law and bikers should have the same rights and vehicle choice as a car driver.

No thanks.
I ride bikes because I get massively more freedom.
I can filter, I can (out of London) park in all sorts of places others can't for less/no money.
I pay a lot less road tax, no congestion charge.

Oh and it sounds like your family needs to start learning some defensive driving skills Razz.


Haha you wee cunt you Very Happy . Guess if the new rules don't affect you we should all not give a fuck. Karma
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just always believes that equality should be equal.
Not purely positive discrimination, which isn't equality to my mind.

I'm quite happy with it not being 'equal' because generally we seem to get the better end of the stick.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I've just always believes that equality should be equal.
Not purely positive discrimination, which isn't equality to my mind.

I'm quite happy with it not being 'equal' because generally we seem to get the better end of the stick.


That makes no sense, if a car does not have to be restricted then a motorbike should not, we do not need a fucking nanny state telling us we have to restrict our vehicle because it has two wheels, end of.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:

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Never had any of these problems. In fact, quite the opposite. I find I get preferential treatment as a biker.

At work I was able to park closer to the office than cars(i.e on the path outside the front door). Now I'm at uni I can park in one of 6 or more dedicated motorbike parking areas (each one can take over a dozen bikes) completely free of charge. Cars have to either pay a pound an hour if they can actually find a space, or use the park&ride to campus for £1 return and have to endure a 20min+ bus ride each way. I also get preferential treatment with regards to lockers as I have to stow my gear somewhere safe, especially since my chosen mode of transport is so much more environmentally friendly than a car (I'm very lucky if I see over 40mpg, on either bike).

My insurance in considerably less than car drivers. For example, the insurance for my tortoise like volvo estate is over 3 times the amount it is to insure the lightning quick zx9r and about 8 times the amount it costs to insure the trident, which is still marginally quicker than the volly (2.0t)

I've found plenty of "biker only" cafes and pubs where cars are either frowned upon and/or forced to park further away. Iv'e never found a similar situation with car orientated venues. If anything, on the odd time I've come across one, bikers still got preferential parking.

Norwich city provide ample free parking for bikes, right in the city centre. Cars have to pay, again, if you can actually find a space.

On top of all that, I can't recall hearing a negative word towards myself, my bikes or bikers in general, aside from the odd "why do bikers always have to fly down the middle through the traffic", to which I always reply, because we can.

But other than that, yeah, I agree, we're a persecuted minority.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:


Yeah the porsche thing was just making a point matey, you can get a cheap nippy car straight off the bat and no one is fucking with you as long as it is on four wheels..



No you cant, cheap corsa or something, £500. Insurance for new driver, £1500+

£2000 minimum to get a slow as fuck car and insurance.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:
refusing to accept that most bikers deaths are directly attributable to reckless driving by bad car drivers.


I call bollocks on this one, in my experience most biker deaths are 100% the bikers fault. Less serious accidents however...
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also find that most road users are much more considerate of motorcyclists nowadays. Car users pull in to the curb to let bikes get past easily. That never used to happen. Non bikers come up and chat about your bike when you are parked up, 20 years ago they would have run in the other direction if nasty biker had stopped near them.

You have the middle age crisis people to thank for making biking a respectable pastime. Rich people buying Harleys, Ducati's and Goldwings at £20000 a throw.

The only ones who really seem to hate us are the euro crats in brussels and we can't do much about those c*nts except for joining MAG.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

swampy wrote:


3) Restrictor not re-stricter.....


Restrictor isn't actually a real word.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
swampy wrote:


3) Restrictor not re-stricter.....


Restrictor isn't actually a real word.


Thinking https://www.thefreedictionary.com/restrictor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictor_plate

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PostPosted: 15:32 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's no bad thing to force new riders to have restricted licences for a couple of years. Whichever way you look at it bikes are inherently dangerous. I know that when I was 17 I would have certainly met a sticky end if I'd been allowed to ride 100bhp+ machinery. I wasn't responsible or experienced enough to handle that much power safely. 33bhp can still get you into a lot of trouble.

I've driven many fast cars and have found them all a lot more forgiving than even a 125. Four wheels will always be more forgiving than two.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:
1. Work asked me and fellow Biker co-worker to move our bikes as they needed space in the parking lot, went outside and there were 8 spaces and no one else turned up, they hounded us and kept pressing, I told them to fuck off and if they kept harassing me I would have my union take action for discrimination due to mode of transport.

My mate ended up caving and moving his bike, they pretty much threatened his job and knew he needed the money.

2. Refusal to serve bikers at cafes, police telling you to move from the shore front, people totally lying and refusing to accept that most bikers deaths are directly attributable to reckless driving by bad car drivers.

3. Bikers have to get a re-stricter kit at a certain age, a new car driver in his teens can go and buy a Porsche and slam into anyone at 190mph.

4. Mass public opinion that it is OK to have the opinion that these laws and unfair regulations should be brought down on bikers at expense of their personal liberty, then claim with a calm voice, I have the right to my opinion, not acknowledging that it is not just an opinion if your taking away another persons right to do something.


Anyway sorry for this rant, I am sure it is something you all know but it makes me sick, especially when my own family members can share such bigoted views of bikers despite the fact most men in my family are bloody bikers.


Dont know.

1) I don't park in the parking bays. I park on the side so not to block space for those who feel the need to take a ton of metal and plastic with them to work. At shopping centres I park up on the pavement, but not blocking the thoroughfare.

2) No one has ever refused to serve me because Im on a bike. But then I again, i don't cultivate the harley image and am clean cut with short hair and a respectable professional person. A bike jacket doesnt seem like a reason not to serve me

3) I had a full bike licence at 18. No one regulated what I ride if I passed the test. Maybe pay more for insurance at a young age, but the stats show that young people have more accidents, hence are a higher risk and cost more money to insurance companies. It is not them crashing. It is them being asked to carry the financial risk

4) I dont think the mass public spend 5 minutes a day thinking of bikers, nor having an opinion of them. They couldnt care less.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

IT'S BECAUSE YOU LOOK LIKE A RIGHT CUNT

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PostPosted: 15:53 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:
Well my auntie has been knocked off her bike by a golf, my dad has been hit twice, once by a dude pulling out not checking for bikes and the other time by a car overtaking and trying to cut back in at speed and clipping him.

My uncle was knocked off abroad by a van that resulted in a broken bike and coming home early.


All that proves is that your family is genetically predisposed towards being unable to ride for shit.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Bikers treated like shit still! Reply with quote

HondaRebel125 wrote:
3. Bikers have to get a re-stricter kit at a certain age, a new car driver in his teens can go and buy a Porsche and slam into anyone at 190mph.

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Well the blame for that one fall squarely on bikers back in the 70's.

To many went straight for 50 cc to 1000 cc and never came back again Karma

Sadly lost far to many friends in that fashion. Crying or Very sad
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