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 Posted: 14:54 - 19 Sep 2012 Post subject: There are some good police men out there :) |
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Just went for a quick spin on the 1200 Bandit this afternoon. Wasnt going mad at all, but may have nipped over a couple of speed limits. Copper following a few cars back eventually pulled me, once he caught up...and gave me a be careful chat, phew! Good to see theres some good ones out there that understand bieks are different to cars.
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Been pulled at over 100 a few times now..
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I had the GoPro on as well, this quickly made a departure to the nearest hedge...its now recovered and footage deleted. I wont be wearing one on my helmet any more! ____________________ Stand up paddle surfing wales Caravan decking wales |
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Why would I lie? id stopped on a corner, and the copper asked me to pull along side him further down the road, as soon as a car blocked the vision between us, I had it off. (yes easily in gloves). Im pretty sure they could confiscate it if they wanted to, plenty of people have been done from putting footage on youtube etc, so I wasnt goign to take any chances. Also, in having a camera on your head, its bound to arouse suspicions as to your driving style, do you not think? I wasnt chancing it anyway...and yes I think the attitude test was past ;D ____________________ Stand up paddle surfing wales Caravan decking wales |
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Good to hear, I just assumed that as Id been caught clearly speeding on a few occasions, that they would have the right to take it as evidence? No?
if so great, maybe I am paranoid, Id hate to loose my licence though! ____________________ Stand up paddle surfing wales Caravan decking wales |
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| Alpha-9 wrote: | | flyer wrote: | I had the GoPro on as well, this quickly made a departure to the nearest hedge...its now recovered and footage deleted. I wont be wearing one on my helmet any more! |
lol, really?
I'm pretty sure the police can't confiscate it, unless you let them of course |
Copy-and-pasta:
| Terrorism Act 2000 section 58a (as added by the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 Section 76) wrote: |
58A Eliciting, publishing or communicating information about members of armed forces etc
(1)A person commits an offence who—
(a) elicits or attempts to elicit information about an individual who is or has been—
(i) a member of Her Majesty's forces,
(ii) a member of any of the intelligence services, or
(iii) a constable,
which is of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, or
(b)publishes or communicates any such information.
(2) It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that they had a reasonable excuse for their action. |
Coppers have, of course, been abusing this law to intimidate people who are filming them.
Can they take your camera? You bet (they think) they can.
| PACE 1984 section 19 wrote: |
19 General power of seizure etc.
(1)The powers conferred by subsections (2), (3) and (4) below are exercisable by a constable who is lawfully on any premises.
[...]
(3)The constable may seize anything which is on the premises if he has reasonable grounds for believing—
(a)that it is evidence in relation to an offence which he is investigating or any other offence; and
(b)that it is necessary to seize it in order to prevent the evidence being concealed, lost, altered or destroyed.
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Yebut, that's just if they're on "premises", right
| PACE 1984 Section 118 wrote: |
118 General interpretation.
[...]
premises” has the meaning assigned to it by section 23 above; |
| PACE 1984 Section 23 wrote: |
23 Meaning of “premises” etc.
In this Act—“premises” includes any place |
tl;dr version:
Grumpy coppers can and will threaten you with Big Jail if you film them.
They can and will seize your camera.
However, unless your footage is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" and you have no "reasonable excuse" for filming it, then you won't be convicted. It's vanishingly unlikely that you'll even be prosecuted, and I'm not actually aware of anyone who's even been arrested for common or garden filming or photography. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | They can and will seize your camera.
 However, unless your footage is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" and you have no "reasonable excuse" for filming it, then you won't be convicted. It's vanishingly unlikely that you'll even be prosecuted, and I'm not actually aware of anyone who's even been arrested for common or garden filming or photography. |
Sadly photographers getting arrested for taking pictures happens all too often, in many cases the Police have wiped the card clean before handing it back!
Photographer gains £10k compensation https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-18353769
Photographer films his own arrest https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest
or https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8154511.stm
I've been asked why was I taking photo's in Norwich!
Countless times I have read of Senior Police Chiefs admitting that photography in a public place is nothing illegal and is a lawful activity and that they apologise for their officers being "over zealous" in their actions and interpretations of the law.
They usually caveat it with it became suspicious when photographer refused to give details...err the photographer has a legal right NOT to give details and is not commiting an unlawful activity!
Sorry rant over. Plod may do a good job in many areas but I'm afraid when it comes to photographers and the law they fall below the intelligence level required to be an arsehole! ____________________ _______________________________________________________________
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| Fruit'n'nut wrote: | Seizing footage under s.19 PACE relating to speeding/careless driving or similar has nothing to do with anti-terror legislation. |
I didn't say - or at least mean to imply - that it did. However, it's pretty clear from the available cases that once Plod (or worse, Plastic Plod) has decided that you're a wrong 'un, that he'll go through his entire repertoire of half understood out of date excuses for ruining your day.
And I stand corrected, there have been arrests under the Terrorism Act for filming, where the photographers have decided to exercise their right to not grovel and prove their innocence.
| Fruit'n'nut wrote: | The key point is that an offence is being investigated (rather than because "they feel like" seizing the camera.) |
In practice, that offers no protection at all. Especially in the case of a biker being stopped, where in most cases Plod will already have an offence in his (loosely speaking) mind. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Thanks for all those.
My thoughts entirely, if they want the camera, they will take it! Hence mine went for a short vacation to the side of the road. better safe than sorry! ____________________ Stand up paddle surfing wales Caravan decking wales |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 94 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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