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PostPosted: 14:54 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: There are some good police men out there :) Reply with quote

Just went for a quick spin on the 1200 Bandit this afternoon. Wasnt going mad at all, but may have nipped over a couple of speed limits. Copper following a few cars back eventually pulled me, once he caught up...and gave me a be careful chat, phew! Good to see theres some good ones out there that understand bieks are different to cars.

Thank you!
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, I got pulled doing a silly speed. Didn't even realise he was behind me, flashing blues and twos. Told me to behave and take it to the moors if I wanted to kill myself. Left it at that.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been pulled at over 100 a few times now..

Got lucky Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see common sense prevailing on the odd occaision.

I've yet to be pulled over but only been riding a year and only on a tiddler, i'm sure that'll change on the hornet
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the GoPro on as well, this quickly made a departure to the nearest hedge...its now recovered and footage deleted. I wont be wearing one on my helmet any more!
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
I had the GoPro on as well, this quickly made a departure to the nearest hedge...its now recovered and footage deleted. I wont be wearing one on my helmet any more!


lol, really?

I'm pretty sure the police can't confiscate it, unless you let them of course
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
I had the GoPro on as well, this quickly made a departure to the nearest hedge...its now recovered and footage deleted. I wont be wearing one on my helmet any more!


Is it not legal to wear a cam on the helmet then? Or more a case of ditched to prevent footage being seen?
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing If they'd seen you throwing something in the hedge straight after being pulled you'd probably be inviting a world of shit your way.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

h00dwink wrote:
Laughing If they'd seen you throwing something in the hedge straight after being pulled you'd probably be inviting a world of shit your way.


This.
I'd be surprised he didn't see you do it and automatically assume its drugs

Unless you're lying of course, because it's fiddly to get the gopro off the mount in gloves, especially if you're actually riding Wink

Had my gopro fall off my bike and get motored, its fine Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see,

You must have passed the attitude test!

Can I suggest throwing stuff into bushes as you are getting stopped is not the wisest of things to be doing.

There is no power for them to seize the camera from you, however if you choose to ditch it then it could be seized sus stolen, footage viewed and you've screwed yourself then!
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would I lie? id stopped on a corner, and the copper asked me to pull along side him further down the road, as soon as a car blocked the vision between us, I had it off. (yes easily in gloves). Im pretty sure they could confiscate it if they wanted to, plenty of people have been done from putting footage on youtube etc, so I wasnt goign to take any chances. Also, in having a camera on your head, its bound to arouse suspicions as to your driving style, do you not think? I wasnt chancing it anyway...and yes I think the attitude test was past ;D
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
Why would I lie? id stopped on a corner, and the copper asked me to pull along side him further down the road, as soon as a car blocked the vision between us, I had it off. (yes easily in gloves). Im pretty sure they could confiscate it if they wanted to, plenty of people have been done from putting footage on youtube etc, so I wasnt goign to take any chances. Also, in having a camera on your head, its bound to arouse suspicions as to your driving style, do you not think? I wasnt chancing it anyway...and yes I think the attitude test was past ;D


That all sounds a little paranoid. Nothing wrong with recording footage of your ride on a public road, the police can't come along and confiscate your camera because they feel like it.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear, I just assumed that as Id been caught clearly speeding on a few occasions, that they would have the right to take it as evidence? No?

if so great, maybe I am paranoid, Id hate to loose my licence though!
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
if so great, maybe I am paranoid, Id hate to loose my licence though!


Then stick to speed limits Wink
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a Go Pro Hero 2 not long ago, less than a month ago. The thought going through my mind before I bought it was, "What happens if the police pull me for whatever reason and take the camera off me?".

I'm pretty sure that if they want to, they would take it off you. I saw a video on YouTube of some guy challenging some coppers about something and they repeatedly said, "If we believe there's evidence on that camera about a crime, we can take it off you".

The guy was eventually arrested and the video ends.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to go against the grain a bit, surely all this does is indicate there are actually some bad coppers out there. If you're stupid enough to be speeding whilst your obs are bad enough not to see a cop car following you need a ticket.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
flyer wrote:
I had the GoPro on as well, this quickly made a departure to the nearest hedge...its now recovered and footage deleted. I wont be wearing one on my helmet any more!

lol, really?
I'm pretty sure the police can't confiscate it, unless you let them of course


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Terrorism Act 2000 section 58a (as added by the Counter Terrorism Act 2008 Section 76) wrote:

58A Eliciting, publishing or communicating information about members of armed forces etc

(1)A person commits an offence who—
(a) elicits or attempts to elicit information about an individual who is or has been—
(i) a member of Her Majesty's forces,
(ii) a member of any of the intelligence services, or
(iii) a constable,
which is of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, or

(b)publishes or communicates any such information.

(2) It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that they had a reasonable excuse for their action.


Coppers have, of course, been abusing this law to intimidate people who are filming them.

Can they take your camera? You bet (they think) they can.

PACE 1984 section 19 wrote:

19 General power of seizure etc.

(1)The powers conferred by subsections (2), (3) and (4) below are exercisable by a constable who is lawfully on any premises.
[...]
(3)The constable may seize anything which is on the premises if he has reasonable grounds for believing—
(a)that it is evidence in relation to an offence which he is investigating or any other offence; and
(b)that it is necessary to seize it in order to prevent the evidence being concealed, lost, altered or destroyed.


Yebut, that's just if they're on "premises", right

PACE 1984 Section 118 wrote:

118 General interpretation.
[...]
premises” has the meaning assigned to it by section 23 above;


PACE 1984 Section 23 wrote:

23 Meaning of “premises” etc.

In this Act—“premises” includes any place


tl;dr version:

Arrow Grumpy coppers can and will threaten you with Big Jail if you film them.
Arrow They can and will seize your camera.
Arrow However, unless your footage is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" and you have no "reasonable excuse" for filming it, then you won't be convicted. It's vanishingly unlikely that you'll even be prosecuted, and I'm not actually aware of anyone who's even been arrested for common or garden filming or photography.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can seize what is called best evidence. So if you have a cam on your head and they're serious about doing you they can take the camera/cam. Best bet is if the memory card is easily removable that way you could have forgot to load one before you set off
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
They can and will seize your camera.
Arrow However, unless your footage is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" and you have no "reasonable excuse" for filming it, then you won't be convicted. It's vanishingly unlikely that you'll even be prosecuted, and I'm not actually aware of anyone who's even been arrested for common or garden filming or photography.


Sadly photographers getting arrested for taking pictures happens all too often, in many cases the Police have wiped the card clean before handing it back!

Photographer gains £10k compensation https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-18353769

Photographer films his own arrest https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrest

or https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8154511.stm

I've been asked why was I taking photo's in Norwich!

Countless times I have read of Senior Police Chiefs admitting that photography in a public place is nothing illegal and is a lawful activity and that they apologise for their officers being "over zealous" in their actions and interpretations of the law.
They usually caveat it with it became suspicious when photographer refused to give details...err the photographer has a legal right NOT to give details and is not commiting an unlawful activity!

Sorry rant over. Plod may do a good job in many areas but I'm afraid when it comes to photographers and the law they fall below the intelligence level required to be an arsehole!
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

had a police officer stop me in the middle of the road yesterday, he was walking across the road, I asked him if he wanted me to pull to the side he said no and made me take all my gear off (whilst still sat on my bike in the middle of the road, also on a blindish corner outside a school) shouted at me about my speed (was doing 25 in a 20) and then just walked away leaving me having to pull my bike to the side of the road with all the gear in my hand, so pissed off but its pointless making a complaint because then they know me, my bike, just an excuse to pull me over more.
not all coppers are good.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt94 wrote:
had a police officer stop me in the middle of the road yesterday, he was walking across the road, I asked him if he wanted me to pull to the side he said no and made me take all my gear off (whilst still sat on my bike in the middle of the road, also on a blindish corner outside a school) shouted at me about my speed (was doing 25 in a 20) and then just walked away leaving me having to pull my bike to the side of the road with all the gear in my hand, so pissed off but its pointless making a complaint because then they know me, my bike, just an excuse to pull me over more.
not all coppers are good.


So your annoyed about being stopped for speeding outside a school near to a blind corner? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

tl;dr version:

Arrow Grumpy coppers can and will threaten you with Big Jail if you film them.
Arrow They can and will seize your camera.
Arrow However, unless your footage is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism" and you have no "reasonable excuse" for filming it, then you won't be convicted.





Seizing footage under s.19 PACE relating to speeding/careless driving or similar has nothing to do with anti-terror legislation.

The key point is that an offence is being investigated (rather than because "they feel like" seizing the camera.)

PACE also gives a power to use reasonable force to carry out the seizure (s.117)
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:
Seizing footage under s.19 PACE relating to speeding/careless driving or similar has nothing to do with anti-terror legislation.

I didn't say - or at least mean to imply - that it did. However, it's pretty clear from the available cases that once Plod (or worse, Plastic Plod) has decided that you're a wrong 'un, that he'll go through his entire repertoire of half understood out of date excuses for ruining your day.

And I stand corrected, there have been arrests under the Terrorism Act for filming, where the photographers have decided to exercise their right to not grovel and prove their innocence.


Fruit'n'nut wrote:
The key point is that an offence is being investigated (rather than because "they feel like" seizing the camera.)

In practice, that offers no protection at all. Especially in the case of a biker being stopped, where in most cases Plod will already have an offence in his (loosely speaking) mind.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all those.

My thoughts entirely, if they want the camera, they will take it! Hence mine went for a short vacation to the side of the road. better safe than sorry!
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Fruit'n'nut wrote:
Seizing footage under s.19 PACE relating to speeding/careless driving or similar has nothing to do with anti-terror legislation.

I didn't say - or at least mean to imply - that it did. However, it's pretty clear from the available cases that once Plod (or worse, Plastic Plod) has decided that you're a wrong 'un, that he'll go through his entire repertoire of half understood out of date excuses for ruining your day.

And I stand corrected, there have been arrests under the Terrorism Act for filming, where the photographers have decided to exercise their right to not grovel and prove their innocence.


Fruit'n'nut wrote:
The key point is that an offence is being investigated (rather than because "they feel like" seizing the camera.)

In practice, that offers no protection at all. Especially in the case of a biker being stopped, where in most cases Plod will already have an offence in his (loosely speaking) mind.


https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/535900/arrested-street-photographer-antisocial-police-maintain

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/535913/photographer-in-deleted-photos-terror-search

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/535983/photographers-rights-protest-home-office-statement-update-1-30pm

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/536143/photographer-in-christmas-lights-terror-stop-update-1pm

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/536093/police-detain-photographer-with-leica-m6-in-london-suburb-update-friday-11am

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/536101/not-a-terrorist-photographer-to-lodge-formal-complaint-against-police

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/536088/police-crackdown-on-city-photographers

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/536097/itn-film-crew-stopped-while-covering-photographer-story

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/536141/bbc-top-gear-photographer-met-police-are-a-nightmare

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/536150/bbc-photographer-terror-stop-former-officer-blasts-met

https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/536512/amateur-photographer-arrested-for-police-officer-pic

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