Advice on my plans for biking off into the sunset...

[GixxerSeth]

Hi people,

I have just joined this forum so give me a chance

Right, I want some advice on my plans for achieving my dreams!

Basically, since I was little, I haved loved gixxers (hence the name).
Now my plan is to get a 2013 Suzuki GSXR 600 but restricted to 33 bhp as I am 18 and will hopefully be passing my Mod 2 soon (got it on the 5th of October). I currently ride a Yamaha YZF R125 which I have riden for about a year now and want to upgrade as overtaking is embarrasingly slow.... Especially as I am use to sitting on my dad's R1 and how he overtakes!
My dad, firstly thought I should get the ninja 250 but then I explained how as soon as I take off the restrictor it will be a brand new bike but I would know how the bike would handle etc. So he saw some sense and approves

So advice on my Mod 2 exam and also on getting a 33 bhp GSXR would be greatly appreciated

Many thanks,
Seth
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[pinkyfloyd]

Mod 2 is just a case of following directions and riding safely. As for the gixxer, there is no reason why you cannot restrict it to 33bhp, but, with the nature of the bike it might not take a restriction very well. Its like sawing an arm off and expecting to be able to do pull ups.

That said, in 2 years when you unleash the full 100+ Horses you'll be in for a whole world of fun.
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[GixxerSeth]

You make mod 2 sound so easy lol.
Yea I can understand it not being able to do 0-60 in like 5 seconds or whatever. At the moment, I just want to be able to have a bit more power in order to overtake easier
And I'm sure I will be counting down the days
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[MattJ]

What pinky said about the mod 2. Chance are that after riding around for a year you should be able to easily pass.

I see no problem actually restricting that bike as I have an FZR600R restricted and it doesn't run badly at all and there is enough power to overtake stuff fairly quickly. Have you tried getting insurance quotes though? Because it's going to be bloody expensive to insure a 2013 GSX600R at 18 but if you can afford to buy one of those I suppose money obviously isn't a problem.

[GixxerSeth]

Well fingers crossed!!!

Oh it's nice to hear from someone that has a 33 bhp restricted 600! How would you give the overall performance?

Well I haven't actually phoned any companies to get a quote, have tried online and epicly failed lol.

Well I will be selling my YZF-R125 and the Gixxer will be monthly paid so it's going to be a very tough squeeze
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[Rogerborg]

Apologies to my Power Rangers bredren, but...

You'll get raped out the wazoo on insurance for 2 years. The bike will be relatively expensive to run and to drop, and it won't be any quicker than any other 25kW bike.

Even at full power, the Gixxer 600 makes the same power as my GPZ 500 up to 8000 rpm and significantly less than an ER-6 up to 10000 rpm (then romps away). It wants its nuts revved off to give it the go to match its looks.

So, you'll get the benefit of better brakes and suspension and - as shereen so tactfully put it - loads of clunge.

But would the clunge be able to tell the difference between a Gixxer and (e.g.) a used GS500F or GSX650F?

If you want the Gixxer, get the Gixxer. If you've got the money to buy a brand new one then Suzuki-san will be delighted to see you, but do factor the first year's insurance into the purchase price - assuming that you can find someone who'll insure you.

Or you can get something that goes just as well for a fraction of the price, go and have your mistakes on that, then get a Gixxer in 2 years when you've got the experience and the license to actually enjoy what it has to offer.

I'll fetch me pipe and slippers.
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[MattJ]

Up to about 5k rpm the restrictors aren't noticeable but higher than that and the revs start to rise progressively slowly.

I don't want to tell you how to spend your money but I really don't think getting a brand new gixxer is a good idea at all. Yes it'll be an awesome bike and look amazing and you'll fell very cool riding it but is it really worth it? Have you looked at getting something a few years older that's thousands of pounds cheaper and that you won't have to get on finance? I don't see the point in paying monthly as you're just paying even more for it. You could get a mint one that's 4 or 5 years old that will be just as good but save you loads of money. Not to mention that there's a higher chance of you dropping this bike with it being your first big bike and I certainly wouldn't like dropping a brand new bike. I'm not saying that you definitely will but if money is going to be tight then just think how you would cope if you had to replace something expensive.

[GixxerSeth]

Yea I can definetly see how the insurance is going to be a mega factor if I do or CAN get a quote!

[MattJ]

I know how you feel as I did a year on a CG125 before moving onto this and I was utterly fed up with the lack of power.

If you were tied to monthly payments, would you be able to get a bank loan to buy an older bike rather than getting a brand new one?

[GixxerSeth]

Yea it is just so painful to sit behind a car and when a small gap opens you know a 600 bike could do it but you can't

Yea I think that might have to be an option or maybe have a loan from parents or something.

Well you have definetly smacked me out of the ways of a 2013 Gixxer lol. Will definetly see if I can get insurance and also see the interest of bank loan. Then think it might be parents lol.

Quick thought, sometimes the dealerships do insurance deals with there bikes don't they?

Thanks for your help by the way and everyone else! This was the main reason why I signed up to this forum to see others points of views of things
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[Polarbear]

I certainly think you need to get some insurance quotes first. I weould expect them to be silly if there are any.

Anything with R after the initials has the insurance companies running for the hills or quoting lots of 0's after a figure if you are under 21.
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[thepuma]

To be able to ride off into the sunset, you're going to firstly need Sun......I think to fulfill your dreams, emigration is required!
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[Teflon-Mike]

What would you get flogging the R125?... is that on finance? Is so how long is remaining?
If its still on tick, THAT could be a mill-stone to moving on. Settling the credit early, usually demands paying them the entire amount you have remaining in instalments, including the interest that isn;t 'due' until the very end.....
YZF-R125 is about £4.5K new, on three year finance, what, £150 ish a month? you've been riding a year, two years remaining, you might still have three and a half grand to pay on the credit, and possible that dealer would only give you three grand for the bike!
In other words you would have to find £500 up-front JUST to be able to get rid!

Dont know if that's the situation or not or how the numbers may fall, BUT you need to sort that one out first, or could put a stoppa on the whole plan.

Anyway... illustratesthe dangers of credit.....

You go buy a Gixxer on tick.... you'll struggle as a new and young rider to get sensible insurance quites ESPECIALLY on a brand new bike..... AND risk is thet even if you got fully comprehensive 'all risk' cover... likely to practically only be worth third party only, in the event you have to claim.

Again, this 'negative equity trap' is a big pit fall.

Buy a bike... ANY bike..... on credit, you borrow a certain amount for the bike, and agree to repay so much a month, to a total that is the 'principle' plus 'interest', and as said, contractually the entire interest charges over however many years are 'due' whether you settle on the due date in however many years time, or one week after the obligatory 28 day 'cooling off'period they must allow by law!

So, you have a bike, that moment you sign on the line, is worth less than you owe on it, and probably for half the HP period will be worth less than you owe as most of what you are paying is interest, and the bike is de-valuing faster than you are buying it!

Bike gets nicked or crashed... you got no bike. Go to the insurance co, and at best they give you full market value, less your policy excess.... and YOU have to find, imedietly the 'negative-equity' to clear the finance.....

This catches quite a lot of folkout,m and they find they are left with no bike, or a pile of scrap in their garage, still making hefty HP payements on it, becouse if they tell the insurance co, then they would HAVE to find big money they dont have!

Personally? There are bikes out there that are naturally 33bhp complient and peanuts to buy and run, and wont cripple you like credit.

What you are saying is you WANT IT ALL NOW!

Its a long life kid....... plentry of time!

£500 would buy you, something pretty useful, an old CB250 nighthawk that would be pence to insure or run. Kawasaki GPz305, little bit riskier it might sieze it's motor, but at £400, probably barely a months HP instalment on a brand new Gixxer,,, you could afford to just throw it away if it did!

GPz500s, or an ER5, or a GS500.... Snowie has been looking at some very tidy and useful examples, all priced under a grand, in the £800 region.

Couple of restrictinion washers, and for two or three months NOT taking out a credit deal.... HP installements have bought you a decent bike, probably likely to last your restriction period... that you can STILL 'de-restrict' for a performance bonus at the end.......

Meanwhile, if you continued saving what you might have been paying in HP installments, and Insurance installments on a Gixer that would have been loosing bag-loads of cash in early life depreciation...... EARNING interest on that money, not paying it.....

Chances are, when your restriction expires... you'd have cash i the bank to buy the bike you didn't two years earlier, in cash, and have change to insure it........

And NEVER a risk of running foul of 'negative equity' or having a space where your bike was and still be paying the premiums for the twockers to enjoy it, or have a pile of scrap costing you the same money, sat in the back garden to cry over......

Its a no brainer as far as I can see..... BUT you need to get the licence before you can do ANYTHING.... and that is the most important thing.

You have 116 Days left to do it, BTW, before new licence laws or it could all be accademic and that R125 is ALL you can have for the next two years, a 500 commuter twin all you might have after, and it'll be SIX years before you can even THINK about getting a Gixer.... (they make more than the permitted 'full-power' to be restricted to an A2 licence)
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[stinkwheel]

Dare I suggest that the last PROPER gixxer was made in 1992 and anything since has been a generic, universal japanese inline four sportsbike on account of them being water cooled.

So if you REALLY like gixxers, the object of your desire would be either a 1992 GSX-R1100 or a 1990 750-L.

Just saying. I'm not suggesting you get one for your first bike because you'll die.
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[Turkish]

Take a look at the post 2003 SV650, the full fairing version.

https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4744176703_6cd02c4956.jpg

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/217817/images/GSXR_600.jpg

IMO, to the untrained eye they look remarkably similar. Might be a little easier on insurance and should cope with restriction better (twin vs inline 4).

Just a thought.
-Turkish
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[ThoughtContro...]

Considering you're young and has been stated you will be anally raped on insurance, I'd consider the 400 class of racing bikes (CBR, ZXR etc) instead of a 2013 GSXR.

Anything older will tend to be cheaper to insure and to drop than a 2013 bike, or at least you will be less bothered since it'll likely already have a few battle scars already. You'd have to be careful buying a 20 year old 400 class racing bike tho, since it's likely had many young owners who've ragged the tits off it. A foolish buy will end up a money pit.

You could be boring and buy an SV/Fazer/Bandit etc like most new 33bhp riders. It'll be cheaper to insure, and you'll only be looking at maybe a 10 year old bike instead of a 20 year old one, and there will be plenty of cheap spares about for when you drop it. I know they don't quite look teh sex, but a 33bhp bike is still a 33bhp bike.

I'd leave the 2013 Gixxer for later, after you've earned a few years NCD and damaged a few cheaper bikes. If you really wanted a restricted GSXR and nothing else would do, and you can afford the lube, then I'd buy an older SRAD rather than a current model. You'll shed less tears over the sound of breaking plastic with an older/cheaper bike. It's still a mental choice for a first big bike tho, but you won't be the first mentalist on here
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