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PostPosted: 09:46 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: MOD 1 speed trap. should a calibration run be allowed? Reply with quote

I was raeding another topic where a rider was too slow going through the speed trap because his speedo was reading too fast. Varience in speedo accuracy seems to be quite common so should the testing authority allow a calibration run? Just a thought.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: MOD 1 speed trap. should a calibration run be allowed? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I was raeding another topic where a rider was too slow going through the speed trap because his speedo was reading too fast. Varience in speedo accuracy seems to be quite common so should the testing authority allow a calibration run? Just a thought.


They allow you a second run if you don't hit the right speed first time anyway
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

simple solution, don't look at the speedo.

I found it much easier just pinning it and not looking down.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: MOD 1 speed trap. should a calibration run be allowed? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I was raeding another topic where a rider was too slow going through the speed trap because his speedo was reading too fast. Varience in speedo accuracy seems to be quite common so should the testing authority allow a calibration run? Just a thought.


you get 3 gos on the speed trap,first is like a dry run without e-stop or swerve.

they will tell you your speed
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you do the manoeuvre correctly but dont hit the speed correctly they will probably give you another shot.

the marking slip has 2 boxes to record your speed a 1st and 2nd time.

i'd just keep it in 2nd, open the throttle, and if you're too slow, he'll tell you Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, you really don't want to be looking at your Speedo as you're coming up to the trap. If you're on a 125 then just take the bend at around 20mph and floor it in 2nd gear.....you will go through it naturally at 30ish mph. I never looked at the Speedo once on mine and I did it at 31,31 and 30 on my mod1.

If you look at your Speedo then its distracting you from what you need to do and in doing so making you more likely to makea mistake.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said just a thought hehee.

The emergancy stop dousent phaze me anyway as I'm always doing them. Errrr that didn't sound good :-/
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mod 1 done this week, wind blowing a hoolie!

Like has been said, don't look at your speedo; look where you want to be and just go for it.

If you look down and worry about the speed you'll take-out one of the avoidance cones, probably the first one and may still not be going fast enough but without a chance at another go.

Better a minor fault and second chance than a fail. All IMveryHO, of course. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinigami wrote:
simple solution, don't look at the speedo.

I found it much easier just pinning it and not looking down.


Fine on a 125, on a 500 you'll go through the trap at 60mph!
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: MOD 1 speed trap. should a calibration run be allowed? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I was raeding another topic where a rider was too slow going through the speed trap because his speedo was reading too fast. Varience in speedo accuracy seems to be quite common so should the testing authority allow a calibration run? Just a thought.


The controlled stop (the first one you go through the trap for) is designed to give you an idea of your speed. You should ask what your speed was if the examiner does not tell you.

Precisely why I opened up the throttle like a hooligan on my mod 1 - wasn't going to fail for being too slow Wink

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PostPosted: 11:20 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My MOD1 examiner never even looked at the speedo devices once over my 3 runs, guess he knew from experience i was going fast enough! either that or he was hungry for lunch! (it was a lunchtime test)
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:


Fine on a 125, on a 500 you'll go through the trap at 60mph!


I did Very Happy E-Stop was at 62 avoidance at 57

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PostPosted: 11:28 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Andy_Pagin wrote:


Fine on a 125, on a 500 you'll go through the trap at 60mph!


I did Very Happy E-Stop was at 62 avoidance at 57

Andy


About the same for me on the cbf600 just floored it in 2nd as soon as i got on the bend before.. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get bogged down worrying about crap like this - just floor it post bend you will be fine. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: MOD 1 speed trap. should a calibration run be allowed? Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
I was raeding another topic where a rider was too slow going through the speed trap and his speedo was reading too fast.

EFA.

His problem was that he ate too many pies, then changed up to 3rd.

Also, what Snowie said: there is a "sighting" lap now.

Best thing would be to just sod off the speed trap altogether and rely on the examiner's judgement like for every other part of the tests. Hopefully that'll happen if we go back to a single on road test.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Andy_Pagin wrote:


Fine on a 125, on a 500 you'll go through the trap at 60mph!


I did Very Happy E-Stop was at 62 avoidance at 57

Andy


Lol there was a psychological barrier preventing me from doing that - a wall of ten foot high iron girders at the end of the strip.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends what bike you're on. I went through on a 650 after pinning it in 2nd and was "unnecessarily fast, slow it down, a lot, for the avoidance" was the response from the examiner
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
Depends what bike you're on. I went through on a 650 after pinning it in 2nd and was "unnecessarily fast, slow it down, a lot, for the avoidance" was the response from the examiner


I did mine on a 650 (ER6-n) and pinned it, even for the controlled stop. My theory was that he'd see the speed and, for the E-Stop, would need to be pretty sharp with his hand up. That means pretty much as you enter the speed trap, which means you can shut the power off immediately you exit it. From what I saw, those on a 125 had try pretty hard to get to speed.

Might not have been the best approach but it seemed to work, plus I managed to stop sharpish too (also ABS++).



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PostPosted: 20:48 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Ben-B wrote:
Depends what bike you're on. I went through on a 650 after pinning it in 2nd and was "unnecessarily fast, slow it down, a lot, for the avoidance" was the response from the examiner


I did mine on a 650 (ER6-n) and pinned it, even for the controlled stop. My theory was that he'd see the speed and, for the E-Stop, would need to be pretty sharp with his hand up. That means pretty much as you enter the speed trap, which means you can shut the power off immediately you exit it. From what I saw, those on a 125 had try pretty hard to get to speed.

Might not have been the best approach but it seemed to work, plus I managed to stop sharpish too (also ABS++).



Andy


Once thing I realised afterwards was the faster you're going, the further the emergency stop will take. Looks a lot better if you're within a few mph and stop in a short distance than take twice as far to stop from 15-20mph over
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They usually write it in KM.

I did 56 and 57 on a CLR125, that never ever really did 57mph, so its definitely KM. Doing a swerve like that at 50+mph would be suicidal on their playground and you would probably fail for going too fast. I got a warning for doing nearly 40mph...
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, this is all Km/h - not Mp/h Laughing

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PostPosted: 21:01 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
They usually write it in KM.

I did 56 and 57 on a CLR125, that never ever really did 57mph, so its definitely KM. Doing a swerve like that at 50+mph would be suicidal on their playground and you would probably fail for going too fast. I got a warning for doing nearly 40mph...

I passed only because I was going too fast. 55 on a 500, locked the back wheel but was excused because I controlled it and stopped quickly from the speed.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:

Once thing I realised afterwards was the faster you're going, the further the emergency stop will take. Looks a lot better if you're within a few mph and stop in a short distance than take twice as far to stop from 15-20mph over


The examiner will look at the speed you did, since they need to mark it down, and assess your stopping distance based on that. It's not based on absolute distance - ie "[s]he didn't stop before the 3rd yellow cone".

Maybe if you got an examiner on a bad day, but the guy I had for mod 1 and 2 was a really nice bloke.


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PostPosted: 22:34 - 28 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Ben-B wrote:

Once thing I realised afterwards was the faster you're going, the further the emergency stop will take. Looks a lot better if you're within a few mph and stop in a short distance than take twice as far to stop from 15-20mph over


The examiner will look at the speed you did, since they need to mark it down, and assess your stopping distance based on that. It's not based on absolute distance - ie "[s]he didn't stop before the 3rd yellow cone".

Maybe if you got an examiner on a bad day, but the guy I had for mod 1 and 2 was a really nice bloke.


Andy


I know, but stopping in as short a distance as possible does look like a better emergency stop
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 29 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Yeah, this is all Km/h - not Mp/h Laughing

I might be mad but I'm not crazy Wink

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Haha..can you imagine doing the swerve at 57mph Laughing
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