End bars

[Skyblue]

This may sound silly to you but it's been 3 weeks now that I've passed my test and one way of me doing the slow riding was to when i gripped the throttle I had my small finger on the End bar & it helped me from using too much or too little throttle .If i only had my hand on the throttle i was either trusting forward or using too little.I need to know can I get theses END BARS fitted on a new bike(Kawasaki W800) I don't want to sound silly asking these question at the showroom,I had passed using a riding school Motorbike & never having owned my own so forgive me for asking silly questions.

[ocatoro]

you can fit them to anything....

but i'd say that's not really the best way to be riding

all you are doing is avoiding learning how to use the clutch and throttle properly...
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[Rogerborg]

Looks like this as stock?
https://www.seastarsuperbikes.co.uk/Kawasaki%202011/W800/w800%20hbar.jpg

See if there's any sort of end cap on the throttle and clutch tubes. If not, you'll just have to slice the ends off (or carefully cut a hole in them), then you can fit "universal bar ends" (Google for that) into the handlebar tube.

While you're about it though, have you considered fitting heated grips? I'd thoroughly recommend them if you're planning to ride through winter, and that bumps the operation up to the level where you can palm it all off to a garage with your Man Honour intact, and say "Oh, and just pop these bar ends in while you're about it, my good man."
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[Matt B]

Slow speed control is all about the clutch, not the throttle.

You can set the throttle at about 2-3k rpm and then slip the clutch(just past the biting point) to control your speed. If you get it right you should be able to move around walking pace - drag the rear brake lightly to keep you stable if you need to.

Should be able to "blip" the throttle if the clutch is set right and it will not affect your speed.

Don't fit bar ends to overcome a bad riding habbit.

Did they not teach you this during your training?
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Concur with others, you probably can fit bar ends without much hassle, but it's probably a better idea to learn to control the bike better.

From what you're describing, it sounds to me as if your problem may be that you're leaning on the handlebars to support yourself, making fine throttle control very difficult as you have your weight on the throttle. Therefore you've trained yourself to lean partially on the bar end, and use your hand/fingers to adjust the throttle, to make it easier.

I could be wrong, but I suggest this because it's what I used to do, when I very first started riding, having got used to riding racing bicycles with very leant forward positions. Gave me terrible hand cramps when I rode slow for too long.

What you should be doing, is being very light on the bars, support your weight on the seat, that's what it's there for. Grip the tank with your knees, and you'll find you can control the throttle far better when you're not leaning on it.
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[SamWise72]

Slow speed control is best achieved by walking.

On my CBT, the instructor told us to set the throttle with the engine busy (considerably faster than a fast idle), and then to moderate the speed using the clutch. He also said motorcycle clutches are designed for that. It may or may not be true, but it sounds like that's what the OP has been told. If that's what you're doing, and you've let the clutch out a little to gain some speed and then you accidentally wind the throttle open further, you may shoot off. I would agree though that you need to gain the muscle memory not to do it, rather than fit a bar-end to overcome it, and also that the back brake is a key part of moderating speed at slow speeds.

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[Polarbear]

It depends on the bike as well. If you have a Ducati with a high first gear and a dry clutch you had better get your left fore arm strength up cause you will be slipping the clutch all the time.

My bike can pootle along at walking speed on the throttle alone.

There's no real right way IMO, as long as you have good control.
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[Rogerborg]

If he doesn't fit bar ends, how is he going to attach the tassles? Bigger picture, chaps.

On my CBT, they had us do lap after lap at high throttle and speeding up and slowing down using just the clutch, and then maintaining a constant speed by dragging the clutch while revving the nuts off the bike. I thought it was heavy handed at the time, but it was actually excellent training.
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[Zen Dog]

I use the back brake, although at very low rpm a bit of clutch slip and a whiff of revs helps smooth things out.

To the OP though, cant you just use your index finger against the throttle body to achieve the same effect?

Zen Dog
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[stinkwheel]

[Skyblue]

Well I had trouble with the u turn & the figure of eight.As soon as I found a way that worked for me I used it.I know that now I've got my full license the real learning begins!Thanks for the replays

[cimbian]

Busy engine, slip the clutch and only cover the rear brake for the occasional dab if needed. Worked for me. Also really important for major to minor left and right junctions.
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[Matt B]

[barrkel]

Doing it all with the throttle will certainly teach fine throttle control. But if the bike isn't smooth at very low revs, it may not be feasible to do neatly without also using the back brake quite a bit.

A problem once I had was moving the handlebars changed my position on the throttle a little - I wasn't in a death-grip or anything, light as can be, but it still changes all the angles up and it's hard to keep everything constant. So now I put my index finger on the front brake lever to create a fixed reference point for the rest of my hand.

Unfortunately that risks panic-pulling the front brake, especially if you're a beginner, so I wouldn't recommend that form for the test.

On my scooter, for really fine control I use piles of rear brake, especially since it doesn't have a manual clutch. Biggest thing that rear brake gives you is keeping the transmission taut; transmission slack, if you ever let the rear wheel go faster than the engine, can make things really jerky.
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[Ribenapigeon]

Bar ends just make the bike two inches wider anyway. Screw that I value my super hero filtering action too much.

I feel sick here's someone who's got a full licence and still can't intuitivly control their bike at slow speed while I'm still on L plates and when in traffic hardly have to think about.

Roll on my next theory test!

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