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PostPosted: 09:08 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod 1.. Reply with quote

We find out whose bright idea the module 1 test was, and we kill them. Who's with me?

Yep. Failed again. Emergency stop. 70kph was a bit too fast and the low sun meant I couldn't see the examiner raising his hand.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod Reply with quote

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Yep. Failed again. Emergency stop. 70kph was a bit too fast and the low sun meant I couldn't see the examiner raising his hand.

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So what happened? You ploughed through the fence?
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my mod1 I never even looked at the examiner during the emergency stop. You know that he 'has' to put his hand up as soon as you go through the speed trap (or you'll end up at the fence), so with this in mind you just throttle off as soon as you've gone through the trap and then front brake only to a progressive stop, covering back brake but not using.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a black visor. Helps loads in the low-sun I find. It's still very blinding but I find that my black visor is loads better in that situation than my clear visor.

Also looks cooler. Double win.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
We find out whose bright idea the module 1 test was, and we kill them. Who's with me?


It's not hard......

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PostPosted: 09:35 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practice more in a safe environment with a friend Thumbs Up Keep doing it until you have it perfect.

Also if your in a car park / area, lay some cones out and practice your other MOD1 task's, No point in getting all angry about it, keep practicing you don't want to come into the New Jan regulations.

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PostPosted: 09:47 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
Benno wrote:


Yep. Failed again. Emergency stop. 70kph was a bit too fast and the low sun meant I couldn't see the examiner raising his hand.

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So what happened? You ploughed through the fence?


Yep. And then smashed into a learner car just back from a driving test causing them to fail for not doing proper observations. That gave me some satisfaction despite knowing I failed.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod Reply with quote

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So what happened? You ploughed through the fence?


Yep. And then smashed into a learner car just back from a driving test causing them to fail for not doing proper observations. That gave me some satisfaction despite knowing I failed.


Hahahaha.....no but seriously, what happened?

So far weve just heard you were racing it through the speed trap...then couldn't see the examiner because of the sun. What happened next? I just get visions of you thrashing down the mod1 course, past the examiner, fence fastly approaching with you thinking "has he put his hand up yet?" Laughing


The thing I don't understand is that you only get a minor for not stopping soon enough so what did he fail you on?
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod Reply with quote

For low sun, run some tape along the top edge of your visor.

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The thing I don't understand is that you only get a minor for not stopping soon enough so what did he fail you on?

I believe that it can be an insta-fail depending on how far you go.

+1 on the "why wait?" advice. Just haul the bike up sharpish, that's what they're testing.

As to who we kill, I'd start with Brussels for coming with the idiotic limits in the first place, and then mow down anyone who was in the DfT/DSA between 2006-2008 for being cretinous enough to actually take them seriously.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I believe that it can be an insta-fail depending on how far you go.
+1 .


Well yeah.....theres a difference between just not stopping quite quick enough and ignoring the examiner with his hand up as you plough through the emergency obstacle (potentially killing that child that's run out in front of you)


As long as you start to brake as soon as he puts his hand up (ie immediately you're through the speed trap...and do a controlled firm stop (without locking up) the examiner isn't going to fail you. But yeah, if he's got his hand up and you're razzing past him at 40mph then yeah, its going to be an instant fail.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was all going so well until the examiner stuck his hand up!

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PostPosted: 14:28 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres only really 2 things i disagree with on the module 1.

uturn second obs not done = insta-fail

reason: if your doing a uturn where the road conditions can change in the space of 5 seconds then you should not be doing a u turn at that time.

u turn foot down = insta-fail

okay at 10/15mph or more i can understand but 5 or under and it shouldnt matter because you can stop the bike easily enough and should be examiners discression.

foot down on a u turn apparently means you will drop the bike.

i did my mod 1 round 3 monday and put my foot down because the bike wound up with a large tilt to the point i dont think letting the clutch out would have helped. so if i didnt i would have dropped the bike anyway.

hence, examiners discression. it also ties in with road conditions and doing a u turn in a safe location.

you just wouldnt do a u turn where things can change in a short period of time. when i do a u turn on the road i make sure its on a straight road with good visibility down either end and make sure theres time for me to actually drop the bike, pick it up and roll it to the side.

if i dont feel theres time for all that i will find a safer place.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, as with a lot of things when you learn to drive/ride, you just do them for the tests and never bother /use your initiative afterwards.

Everyone knows that to avoid failing your mod1 (rightly or wrongly, real world or not) that you HAVE to do a right lifesaver before turning on the u-turn. (i know IF you do the turn straight away then the first lifesaver before pulling away will suffice, but its bloody risky imho relying on that)

So.....knowing this information beforehand, IF you don't actually do that lifesaver on your test then I dunno, who is to blame for that? The relevance or not of doing it is..well...irrelevant, its just one of the hoops you have to jump through to get a licence.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
Hahahaha.....no but seriously, what happened?

So far weve just heard you were racing it through the speed trap...then couldn't see the examiner because of the sun. What happened next? I just get visions of you thrashing down the mod1 course, past the examiner, fence fastly approaching with you thinking "has he put his hand up yet?" Laughing


The thing I don't understand is that you only get a minor for not stopping soon enough so what did he fail you on?


Well, nobody died...

It was pretty boring really. Couldn't see the examiner so I pulled on the brakes too late, as well as going too fast through the speed trap (nearly 70kph), resulting in my stopping distance being too far.

Oh well. Sad
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you actually go past the examiner?
Sounds like your instructor has failed you if he didn't tell you the stop signal would appear as you went through the speed trap fella. Confused
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My instructor told me to stay in 2nd gear and rev the Fcuking nuts off it... (That said.. this was on a '87 CG Laughing ) Thought i had failed when i felt the back wheel start to slip from locking.. Just disengaged and re-applied Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather do the manoeuvres on a standardised test circuit than out on the road. In my opinion the module 1 is a good test for showing you can ride a bike. Anyone can ride a bike in a straight line but this test shows you can manoeuvre and control it properly.

But then again I passed first time and found it ridiculously easy so I would say that!

Just treat it for what it is. A 5 minute motorcycle dressage test.

Also If you can't ride for 5 to 10 minutes without fucking something up you need to have a word with yourself Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest.. I think if you fail Mod 1 you should have your CBT revoked, clearly people who fail are incapable of riding a bike.

Its simple stuff, there is nothing whatsoever challenging about it.

Failing on the emergency stop.. try doing that in the real world.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 03 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernow24 wrote:
To be honest.. I think if you fail Mod 1 you should have your CBT revoked, clearly people who fail are incapable of riding a bike.

Its simple stuff, there is nothing whatsoever challenging about it.

Failing on the emergency stop.. try doing that in the real world.


do you work for one of the EU departments?

its fucked up and stupid shit like this that the EU knobs would come up with.

a CBT is BASIC TRAINING. the module 1 is a TEST

most people who fail something on their module 1 perform the same actions in the real world perfectly fine. its just nerves that cause them to fail.

the module 1 is NOT an accurate gauge of how well people can ride. the only REAL way to gauge that would be a ride out with a freind who just happens to be an examiner as well but isnt actually assessing their riding skills.

have i done a module 1? yes, 3 times, and failed all 3 times.

once was because my head wasnt in the right place. the other 2 times was pure nerves

also it would add extra pressure onto test candidates, bigger nerves and make L plate riding pointless.
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 04 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernow24 wrote:
To be honest.. I think if you fail Mod 1 you should have your CBT revoked, clearly people who fail are incapable of riding a bike.

Its simple stuff, there is nothing whatsoever challenging about it.


I agree it's simple stuff, but there's a number of things that are easy to get wrong. Like not going through the speed trap fast enough on a 125, or (like me, first go) locking the rear for a fraction of a second in the emergency stop on a bike you're not familiar with (DAS).
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PostPosted: 04:42 - 04 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

go back under the rock you crawled out off.

it does NOT accurately measure your skill because you cant account for a persons nerve factor.

if you honestly believe what you spouted then your a pretty big idiot.

no one is going to say its accurate. its like GCSE exams, 60% of it is utter bullshit.

a persons nerves under test conditions can make a huge factor and affect a persons judgement more than your willing to allow for.

the examiners should or can account for the majority but are bound by pathetic rules. so i dont really blame them but you, you seem to have no idea what the hell your talking about.

if you suffered from bad nerves during your module one and had to resit it more than once then you sure as hell wouldnt be spouting that bollocks.

then again, you was probably one of these people who spend 4 or more years on L plates before doing their test anyway.
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PostPosted: 05:38 - 04 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
I can't manage to pass the test, so it's stupid and pointless


Or whines to that effect.
Of course the Mod 1 is an assessment of how you can handle the bike at slow speeds and performing certain manoevres. If 'nerves' were to be factored in, how could the examiner possibly know that you aren't 'nervous' when out on the road riding normally?
Would you like to go on a plane piloted by someone who didn't pass the required standard of flying skills, but they were 'nervous' on the licence day so have been given a pilots licence anyway because they seem like a decent bloke.
Just because you can't do it on the day under test conditions doesn't mean that it's a useless exercise. I failed my Mod 1 first time because of 'nerves' as I had practised and done it perfectly before. But on the day, come the scrutiny I cocked up and lost control of the bike in having to dab a foot down on the slalom/figure 8. It was a 'loss of control' and quite rightly not ignored. Passed with no minors on the re-test when I did it in the frame of "I can control a bike, I just need to show it NOW".

Good luck with the next re-test. Are you sure that you can't do something that thousands of people less skilled than you have managed to do?
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PostPosted: 05:51 - 04 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Right, here's the plan: we find whoever came up with mod Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
We find out whose bright idea the module 1 test was, and we kill them. Who's with me?

Looks like a plan Wink
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 06 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:

a CBT is BASIC TRAINING. the module 1 is a TEST

How is this true except for semantics? You failed your Mod 1 (three times? Shocked ) because you can't ride a bike properly even without the pressure of the road and other drivers about.
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